Does anyone know if or can post concussion syndrome or tbi include vertigo?

Thank you.

Good question I am sure we will see an answer

dizziness is a symptom of tbi..vertigo is being dizzy...sort of.

TBI stands for ??? Sorry just now learning the terms

sgndae,
TBI = Traumatic Brain Injury

militarynurse,
Check out the regs for DC 8045 post Oct 2008
to see if it compensates for vertigo, dizziness etc...
Some things can be rated separetly.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-....67&idno=38

Has a doctor put in writing yet,the cause of the vertigo, dizziness?

Hope this helps a vet.
carlie

to get to this forum you had to click tbi traumatic brain injury link..i assumed from that point we would all be on the same page.

This post can aslo be accessed by clicking on View New Post.
carlie

here's a few more to sift through.......

POST-TRAUMATIC VERTIGO
http://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disor...t/posttrau.html

American Hearing Research Foundation (AHRF) Post-Traumatic Vertigo
http://www.american-hearing.org/disorders/...ic_vertigo.html

Postconcussive Syndrome
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/828904-overview

Management of Concussion/mild Traumatic Brain Injury
http://www.mirecc.va.gov/docs/visn6/VADoD_...mTBImarch09.pdf

allan,
GREAT LINKS ! ! !
Thanks.
carlie

Head injury and vertigo? I am a civilian that suffered a serious head injury and know alot about the medical end of the vertigo. I feel bad for anyone vet battling vertigo from head trauma. It can get very comlicated to fix and can be debilitaing and it may take a long long time to find the source and make it go away. That was a very good link on it, and one point I would like to make that many people dont realise. If a person suffers a head trauma, the head may not have been the only thing that may have been injured or causing the vertigo. Always get that neck checked out as well, even if it does NOT hurt. Necks are notorious for vertigo but the last to be checked. Sometimes the neck is never checked by a regular doctor, and people wander from specialist to specialist with no results. I was one of those.
The muscles at the base of the skull by the brainstem send signals to the eyes, the inner ear and the brain. All have to be working exactly correct. If one is off slightly, the result is vertigo. Check the ears, your eyes, if they come out ok, check your neck. It takes only a slight head injury to bring on vertigo. Good luck and I hope you feel better. mightyoak

Thanks for the great replies.

Since vertigo can be caused from a TBI ( movement of head ) or the neck ( cervical vertigo ), how are they differentiated since moving the head usually involves moving the neck as well?

Military Nurse? This is how I was finally diagnosed. I dont know about the head , but the neck I do .The Atlas( c-1) and the Axis of the upper neck. The head is attached to it, by tiny ligaments. I was diagnosed by a chiropracter who was looking for different things. Altho his reading of the xray was the same as the radiologists. They look the placement of the bones.
Front xray with the mouth open to see the placement of the cervical atlas and the axis. Usually a side xray too. Regular xray. Need not be an mri. Sometimes when a person gets a head injury, the Atlas gets jolted as well. The atlas is 1/4 inch away from the inner ear, and close to the brain stem. It doesnt take much of a head injury and or a neck injury to set the vertigo off , bother the inner ears or irritate the brain stem. When I think of it, how could a person who suffered a head trauma, not have a neck trauma as well.
The medical doctors tend to look at xrays of a neck for herniations, buldges, compressions, fractures and they dont seem to look for the placement of the atlas -axis. Which its postion, if slightly jolted can cause serious problems because of its close location to the brain stem, inner ear etc. It can encroach on the inner ear. Many people with ear symptoms have them due to their necks. They think its their ears. If you go to an ENT and he says your ears are ok, check your neck!
The human Atlas can cause almost anything to happen. A person can have vertigo, neurological symptoms, vision problems, ear symptoms, even heart palpatations and even high blood pressure, and the sympathetic nervous system can even get irritated. This is usually over looked time and time again. Thats why I mentioned it. I know lots of people very sick from this. Not just me. Maybe this post can help someone. Vertigo or head trauma is debilitaing and I feel sorry for anyone living with it.
cindy-mightyoak

I know a veteran that got Vertigo after a head and neck injury back in 1976 while in the Army. He told me the VA ENT don't know why he have it. What is the VA rate for Vertigo?

§4.87 Schedule of ratings—ear.
http://www.warms.vba.va.gov/regs/38CFR/BOOKC/PART4/S4_87.DOC

Diseases of the Ear


Rating



6204 Peripheral vestibular disorders:

Dizziness and occasional staggering 30
Occasional dizziness 10

Note: Objective findings supporting the diagnosis of vestibular disequilibrium are required before a compensable evaluation can be assigned under this code. Hearing impairment or suppuration shall be separately rated and combined.

[veteran that got Vertigo after a head and neck injury, He told me the VA ENT don't know why he have it.]

Maurice,
Tell your vet to stay away from the ENT he saw. The ENT is obviously a moron or works for the RO more than the VAMC.
Dizziness, vertigo, balance issues follow head & neck injuries. I don't make this stuff up. It's medical science. If the ENT doesn't know why theres vertigo after a head/neck trauma, it's because he doesn't want to.
Either way he's no help with medical opinions or health care.

I can't tell you how many people I've met that can't hold a job down anywhere but the VA.

Thanks you Allen



Tell your vet to stay away from the ENT he saw. The ENT is obviously a moron or works for the RO more than the VAMC.
Dizziness, vertigo, balance issues follow head & neck injuries.

Confused
TBI, is it cause by a tramatic incident, or is cause a by a blow to the head.
I have always had a dizziness, and have been put in the emergency room, because of attacks of vertigo during another medical test. I have had inner ear problems, that cause staggering and dizziness.
I have been given medicine to counter the conditions. Too this day, if I lay back on a doctor table, I get dizzy
This was minor after RVN, but peak after retirement. so bad one time that I had to crawl to the Bathroom, because I could not not walk. Like most of life, I was alone with no one around, poor me.

Ear, neck disorders can cause vertigo, just like TBI's.
TBI's can be caused by trauma(concussion, projectals, etc.)and toxins.

Thanks for the info. Anyone know what would constitute "objective findings" to support a diagnosis of dizziness, ( i.e. vestibular disequilibrium )?



6204 Peripheral vestibular disorders:

Dizziness and occasional staggering 30
Occasional dizziness 10

Note: Objective findings supporting the diagnosis of vestibular disequilibrium are required before a compensable evaluation can be assigned under this code. Hearing impairment or suppuration shall be separately rated and combined.
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Viral/Vertigo Connection
by Dr. Gerald H. Smith


Vertigo Resolved by Bio-Frequencies
There are two basic types of vertigo: objective and subjective.
Objective vertigoexists when the external world revolves around the individual.
Subjective vertigo manifests when the individual perceives them-self revolving in space. Vertigo is a result of a disturbance of equilibrium. It can be caused by middle ear disease; cranial distortions, dental malocclusion; toxic conditions caused by aspartame, mercury poisoning, silicylates (aspirin), cocaine, alcohol or the antibiotic streptomycin; sunstroke; under-active adrenals, postural hypotension; or toxemia caused by such things as food poisoning or infections (viruses, bacteria or fungi).

Case Study. K.W. was referred to my office in November of 2005 for evaluation of vertigo. K.W. stated that her first episode of objective vertigo started in April of 2004 three days after contracting a flu virus. Since April of 2004, she experienced periodic episodes where every thing was spinning around her. Examination by an ENT medical specialist produced no positive findings. The physician put her on the medication anti-vert, which did nothing to modify the spinning sensations.

Examination of the patient revealed a neurological occlusal (tooth discrepancy), which adversely caused weakness in K.W.'s neck. Although upper cervical distortions do have the potential of causing equilibrium problems, this imbalance was not the source of this patient's vertigo problem. Direct Resonance testing revealed the presence of cytomegalovirus in both ears. The patient supplied the clue when she gave a history of the vertigo starting three days into a flu episode. Since viruses are not affected by antibiotics, the patient was treated with bio-frequencies for the cytomegalovirus. At the completion of the half-hour treatment, K.W. stood up without any symptoms of the room spinning. When K.W. first walked into our office, she wore dark sun glasses and literally was holding onto the walls because every thing was spinning around her. The before and after videos show the dramatic change that took place after a half-hour of vibrational frequency therapy. Since the beginning of November , 2005 there has been no reoccurrence of vertigo.

In my professional opinion, I believe the cytomegalovirus infiltrated the endolymph fluid which is encased in the balancing labyrinths of the inner ear. Within these labyrinths are small hair-like structures which move with changes in motion. My theory is that the virus attached to the hair-like sensors and the toxins produced by the CMV virus disrupted the normal proprioceptive function causing faulty signaling into the central nervous system. The dramatic results came when the virus was immediately destroyed by the treatment frequencies. This technology has been available since the early 1930's but was suppressed because it was too effective and would have destroyed the pharmaceutical companies as they existed in the 1930's.

(800) 272-2323 • International Center for Nutritional Research, Inc. • © 1996-2008


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