Mr Vets new CP exam is scheduled for 60 mins and I do not see on the appointment sheet the MMPI testing like he has had 3x before- we are in remand from BVA -this will be his 3rd exam in 11yrs.-could it be because they finally realize he has been SS for PTSD since 03- and hasnt worked since-are we at the end-3 IMOS are PTSD-2 VA are not clear - and could they bedoing this to keep the score @ 4 to 3- and why not the MMPI this time? Stressors are verified and VA admitted PTSD back in 05'-and he is on SS for PTSDsince 03' and NSC because he can't work and hasn't since 01'-if they offset his NSC because of SS-why did they fail to even consider that evidence twice-in the SSOCs- until 07' when they've been offsetting since 03'?

I never had an MMPI from the VA. Had one while active duty though...

Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) were previously done by your doctors? Give a little more background. You asked for a lot with very little to go on.

They have been previously doneat the VA for Cp exams

you can read the appeal is 900500-docket #0521563a-not once do they mention PTSD for SS-they only go by the 08 IMO and the VA exam-there are 2 other IMOs-read it and that will clue you in

I have just spent the last half hour, reading your story, thru your excellent past posts. Congratulations on your successes in the up-hill challenges and obstacles, and rabbit trails, you have been through with the VA. Like many of us, you and Mrvet have helped pay for a great number of VA employees' 401K plans. Remand, remand, remand. It's a never ending circle sometimes.


I really don't see why you are concerned about an MMPI. Does the VA claim that your Hubby has a personality disorder, as well as PTSD? That has been pulled on many of our younger new disabled and wounded vets. I have never heard about a MMPI being used when determining PTSD. Very odd???

The VA does not do the MMPI because they are afraid it would show objective evidence of a mental disorder. They like to play games and pretend that vets have personality disorders etc. It so much easer to get a prostitute doctor to look at a vet's records for ten minutes, and say he is a PD than do a real exam.

Can someone post a link to 900500-docket #0521563a. I can not find it.

Good Luck on C&P exam. Go with your Veteran and try and let him have his say. Answer the questions thinking of how the overall picture is. If your husband never leaves home be sure and bring it up if the examiner does not.

I am not concerned but I find it odd in the last CP exam the examiner reported overexaggerated symptons on the MMPI - and so did the one he did in 02'-he cannot concentrate or even work a computer for that fact-and they used it against him-he is a Vietnam Veteran-

If you recall this saga last time I went to be present the b*****h examiner had me detained by security-maybe thats why the attorney wants to go this time

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try that see what you think MrsVet

In the past he has had them each time before the examiner spoke with him- and then they reported "overexaggerated symptoms"

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I have just spent the last half hour, reading your story, thru your excellent past posts. Congratulations on your successes in the up-hill challenges and obstacles, and rabbit trails, you have been through with the VA. Like many of us, you and Mrvet have helped pay for a great number of VA employees' 401K plans. Remand, remand, remand. It's a never ending circle sometimes.


I really don't see why you are concerned about an MMPI. Does the VA claim that your Hubby has a personality disorder, as well as PTSD? That has been pulled on many of our younger new disabled and wounded vets. I have never heard about a MMPI being used when determining PTSD. Very odd???
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this is part of an addendum to the last CP exam he had-that discusses the deficient CP exam-
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OOps loaded it twice-they are both the same

This should help you with your exam.

Thank you for posting Mrvet's BVA appeal. It will be helpful to many disabled vets filing their claims and appeals.... I have just read your BVA appeal decision, as well as some of your previous posts. The page you also posted, appears to be the appeal you presented for the BVA appeal...??? I'm glad to know that you have an attorney... IMHO, It appears that you were denied some claims and the rest were remanded back to the VARO for new tests and evaluations and ratings...


What did your lawyer tell you about it?


I was stationed southwest of Da Nang, in the central highlands, down near Chu Lai, in an army, light weapons infantry line company, in I corp RVN, 66-67.

Don't know. I have never had a MMPI from VA. Did have one from civilian doc though

frank

John, I think they do the MMPI just for the reason you say they don't. They want to get a PD diagnosis so as to deny based on PD. MMPI is so manipulative and doctor can say you have PD just by answering a few questions differently. It's a crap shoot with these guys. On my last MMPI with civilian doc there was a question that asked if I liked to tease animals. Well I could of either answer that Yes or No depending on what they mean by teasing. I play tease all the time but not in a malicious way.
Many questions were asked twice or maybe three times just in different ways. The problem with this is the same questions can be interpreted differently when asked a different way so you may answer yes on one and no on another. After 3 hours I was just ready to throw in the towel. These tests are draining and boring.


The way I see it there's too much room for interpretation with many of these questions.

Just for the record though I answered "NO" to the teasing question..... LOL

frank

Be careful about speculating as opposed to presenting facts. I doubt that even the VA gives tests and exams to get the answers that they want.

In the SSOC 05the VA admits finding PTSD then said" in absence of verifiable stressor which would permit finding of service connection" so it was denied. Then 2 years later the SSOC 07they verified the stressors which they had way before in 04' the first SSOC (but just didnt bother to verify them-then changed their diagnosis from PTSD to"various psychiatic diagnoses"after they verified the stressors. They also never mention in the BVA remand that MRvet is disabled due to PTSD from social security since 03' and reason-being he has NSC pension which is offset with his SS-but somehow that has no substance-he has a doctors diagnosis from 1 month after returning from Nam, with anxiety on which he was prescribed librium various times in the 70's-they really are disregarding his positive IMO's from all 3 private diagnoses of PTSD-but yet they offset his money every month-so I guess PTSD in Social Security Law is different than PTSD in VA Speak! and that was an addendum that was submitted after the DRO hearing by our atttorney before it even went to the BVA hearing -that was in fact an inconclusive PTSD exam because as he said he met all critieria for PTSDthat was required according to the DSM_IV and not all 7 were necessary-back then I wanted a new exam, they advised no, and she is the same one who had me detained by security the whole time -I told her I was allowed to be there, and off I went -when she was done with him -she let me back escorted by security down the hallway to go get him-I guess I was considered a terrorist??????????????for protecting my husband whom I've been with 30 years and counting......hope that helps

I had to take the MMPI twice because the examiner said I exaggerated my problems on the first one. I told him I did the test according to my worst day. He then said just to be neutral with what's going on because it will always come up as exaggerated if you give it your worst day. Just something for you guys that haven't taken it. The tests took me about 3 hours to complete.

frank

Frank:

You scare me. I don;t think that you understand the common advice for dealing with Docs on C&P. Yes answer the questions as if it was a normal day for you and not a defensive reply designed to get someone to leave you alone.

On Psychological Exams just answer the questions as asked. If you try to answer like you did it will bite you in the ass.

Good Luck

Mrs. Vet thanks for the post, reminded me courtesy of Frank, - during vocational rehabilitation 'evaluation' there was a test that seemed similar - nearly hour or so long. When finishing up the eval, test results were regurgitated to me questions turned about to make 'statements' that described my work mentality. A waste of my time and thoughts. May just help my IU.

I did'nt have a MMPI during C&P for PTSD.
Best of luck today!

BoonDoc

Hi pete, this was several years ago and lucky enough for me it was a private doc that administered the tests.

frank