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#1 militarynurse

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 03:49 PM

Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 05:03 PM

Mine is still under review.

Here's some info that may help you understand why you feel like you do.
Allan
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Traumatic Stress and Motor Vehicle Accidents
Todd Buckley, Ph.D.
Introduction
Researchers are looking more closely at motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) as a common cause of traumatic stress. In one large study, accidents were shown to be the traumatic event most frequently experienced by males (25%) and the second most frequent traumatic event experienced by females (13%) in the United States. Over 100 billion dollars are spent every year to take care of the damage caused by auto accidents. Survivors of MVAs often also experience emotional distress as a result of such accidents. Mental-health difficulties such as posttraumatic stress, depression, and anxiety are problems survivors of severe MVAs may exhibit. This fact sheet addresses important issues related to MVAs, including how many people experience serious MVAs, how many people develop MVA-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and other psychological reactions, what the risk factors are for MVA-related PTSD, and what kind of treatments help MVA-related PTSD.
How many people experience serious motor vehicle accidents?
One unfortunate consequence of the high volume of commuter and personal travel in the U.S. is the number of accidents that result in personal injury and fatalities. In any given year, approximately 1% of the U.S. population will be injured in motor vehicle accidents. Thus, MVAs account for over 3 million injuries annually and are one of the most common traumas individuals experience.
How many people develop MVA-related PTSD and other psychological reactions?
Research on individuals seeking treatment and individuals in the general population suggests that the majority of those who survive a serious MVA do not develop mental-health problems that warrant professional treatment. However, a substantial minority of MVA survivors suffer from mental-health problems, the most common of which are Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Major Depression, and Anxiety Disorders.
Studies of the general population have found that approximately 9% of MVA survivors develop PTSD. Rates are significantly higher in samples of MVA survivors who seek mental-health treatment. Studies show that between 14% and 100% of MVA survivors who seek mental-health treatment have PTSD, with an average of 60% across studies. In addition, between 3% and 53% of MVA survivors who seek treatment and have PTSD also have a mood disorder such as Major Depression. Finally, in one large study of MVA survivors who sought treatment, 27% had an anxiety disorder in addition to their PTSD, and 15% reported a phobia of driving.
What are the risk factors for MVA-related PTSD?
Recent research has identified variables that have predictive value when trying to determine who might experience PTSD after a serious accident. The use of such research allows clinicians to identify individuals at risk for long-term mental-health problems secondary to their accident.
The research focusing on identifying at risk individuals has been directed at three sets of variables: characteristics about the individual that were present prior to the MVA, accident-related variables, and postaccident variables.
• Pre-accident variables such as poor ability to cope in reaction to previous traumatic events, the presence of a pre-accident mental-health problem (e.g., depression), and poor social support have all been linked to the development of PTSD following severe MVAs.
• With respect to accident-related variables, the amount of physical injury, potential life-threat, and loss of significant others have been predictive of the development of mental-health problems such as PTSD. That is, as the amount of physical injury and fear of dying increase, the chance of developing PTSD also increases.
• Postaccident variables that are predictive of PTSD following MVAs are: the rate of physical recovery from injury, the level of social support from friends and family, and the level of active reengagement in both work and social activities. To the extent that physical limitations will allow, survivors of MVAs should be encouraged to maintain as much of their pre-accident lifestyle as possible, with as much support from family and friends as possible. Such coping strategies appear to be linked with positive mental-health outcomes.
What treatments are available for MVA-related PTSD?
One aspect of MVA-related PTSD that is different from PTSD caused by other traumas is the increased likelihood of being injured or developing a chronic pain condition following the trauma. As a result, many people who have been in an MVA present first to their primary care physicians for treatment and do not consider psychological treatment for some time. Unfortunately, studies have shown that of the people who develop PTSD and do not seek psychological treatment, approximately half continue to have symptoms for more than six months or a year. Therefore, it is important to identify the symptoms early on and seek appropriate psychological treatment.
A number of different treatment approaches have proven effective for MVA-related PTSD. Treatments include behavior therapy, cognitive therapy, and medications. In addition, it may be useful to work with a chronic pain specialist to help manage the physical pain caused by the injury. Sometimes these treatments are provided in conjunction with one another. Readers who are interested in more extensive information regarding treatment and provider contacts will find the websites listed below to be useful.
Additional Information
Readers can find a full exposition of the personal and accident-related characteristics associated with poor mental-health outcomes after MVAs in an excellent book, After the Crash, by Blanchard and Hickling (1997). This book also explains a comprehensive approach to treatment for clinicians working with severe accident survivors.
Suggested Readings on Psychosocial Research and Motor Vehicle Accidents
Blanchard, E.B., & Hickling, E.J. (1997). After the crash. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.
Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Barton, K.A., Taylor, A.E., Loos, W.R., & Jones-Alexander, J. (1996). One-year prospective follow-up of motor vehicle accident victims. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 34, 775-786.
Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Forneris, C.A., Taylor, A.E., Buckley, T.C., Loos, W.R., & Jaccard, J. (1997). Prediction of remission of acute Posttraumatic Stress Disorder in motor vehicle accident victims. Journal of Traumatic Stress, 10, 215-234.
Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Taylor, A.E., & Loos, W.R. (1995). Psychiatric morbidity associated with motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 183, 495-504.
Bryant, R.A., & Harvey, A.G. (1995). Avoidant coping style and posttraumatic stress following motor vehicle accidents. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 33, 631-635.
Buckley, T.C., Blanchard, E.B., & Hickling, E.J. (1996). A prospective examination of delayed onset PTSD secondary to motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 105, 617-625.
Ehlers, A., Mayou, R.A., & Bryant, B. (1998). Psychological predictors of chronic Posttraumatic Stress Disorder after motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 107, 508-519.
Kuch, K., Cox, B.J., & Evans, R.J. (1996). Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and motor vehicle accidents: A multidisciplinary overview. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 41, 429-434.
Taylor, S., & Koch, W.J. (1995). Anxiety disorders due to motor vehicle accidents: Nature and treatment. Clinical Psychology Review, 15, 721-738


Source: Dept of Veterans Affairs link
http://www.ncptsd.va.gov/ncmain/ncdocs/fact_shts/fs_mva.html

#3 kw34

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Posted 10 May 2009 - 09:28 PM

I have a very good friend who is 50% for an auto accident that occured on A/D.

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 12:24 AM

Citation Nr: 9817488
Decision Date: 06/05/98 Archive Date: 06/15/98

DOCKET NO. 93-02 342 ) DATE
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On appeal from the
Department of Veterans Affairs Regional Office in Providence,
Rhode Island


THE ISSUE

Entitlement to service connection for post traumatic stress
disorder.


REPRESENTATION

Appellant represented by: Disabled American Veterans


WITNESS AT HEARING ON APPEAL

Appellant


ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD

Thomas D. Jones


INTRODUCTION

The veteran served on active duty from November 1967 to June
1969.

This matter comes before the Board of Veterans’ Appeals
(Board) on appeal from a August 1991 rating decision of a
Regional Office (RO) of the Department of Veterans Affairs
(VA), which denied the veteran service connection for post
traumatic stress disorder. The veteran filed a timely notice
of disagreement and substantive appeal, commencing this
appeal.

The veteran’s appeal was initially presented to the Board in
March 1996, at which time it was remanded for additional
evidentiary development. That development having been
accomplished, the appeal has been returned to the Board.


CONTENTIONS OF APPELLANT ON APPEAL

The veteran contends he has post traumatic stress disorder as
a result of trauma experienced during service; therefore,
service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is
warranted.


DECISION OF THE BOARD

The Board, in accordance with the provisions of 38 U.S.C.A.
§ 7104 (West 1991 & Supp. 1998), has reviewed and considered
all of the evidence and material of record in the veteran's
claims file(s). Based on its review of the relevant evidence
in this matter, and for the following reasons and bases, it
is the decision of the Board that service connection for post
traumatic stress disorder is warranted.



FINDING OF FACT

The veteran has post traumatic stress disorder as a result of
trauma experienced during service.


CONCLUSION OF LAW

Service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is
warranted. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1110 (West 1991); 38 C.F.R. § 3.304
(1997).


REASONS AND BASES FOR FINDINGS AND CONCLUSION

Background

According to the service medical records, the veteran was
treated for several days in April 1969 for injuries sustained
in a motor vehicle accident.

In February 1991, the veteran filed a claim for service
connection for post traumatic stress disorder. He was
afforded a VA medical examination in June 1991, at which time
a diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder was indicated.

The veteran’s claim was denied by the RO in an August 1991
rating decision. The veteran filed a timely notice of
disagreement and initiated this appeal.

The veteran was afforded a personal hearing at the RO in May
1992. He described his involvement in a motor vehicle
accident during service. According to the veteran’s
testimony, he and some fellow soldiers were coming down a
mountain in a truck when it slid off the road and tumbled
down a cliff. He sustained a concussion and was hospitalized
for several days. A comrade by the name of George Robinson
was killed in this incident.

An April 1992 statement from a private psychiatrist diagnosed
the veteran with post traumatic stress disorder based on his
experiences in Vietnam, including the claimed motor vehicle
accident.

An October 1995 statement from a retired VA psychologist also
diagnosed the veteran with post traumatic stress disorder.
The VA examiner had been treating the veteran since 1989 for
post traumatic stress disorder. Among the indicated
stressors during service was an incident involving the
veteran’s military truck crashing over the edge of a ravine.

When the veteran’s claim was initially presented to the Board
in March 1996, it was remanded for additional evidentiary
development.

In May 1997, a statement was received from the U.S. Armed
Services Center for Research of Unit Records (“Center”)
concerning the veteran’s reported motor vehicle accident in
Vietnam. The Center’s report confirmed the death of George
Robinson in an April 1969 motor vehicle accident. Also
confirmed was the veteran’s transfer, for unspecified
reasons, to the 67th Evacuation Hospital on the same day.

The veteran was afforded another VA psychiatric examination
in July 1997. He was interviewed by a board of two VA
psychiatrists. He was diagnosed with post traumatic stress
disorder, described as mild but chronic, with delayed onset.

Thereafter, the denial of the veteran’s claim was continued
by the RO, and his case was returned to the Board.

Analysis

Service connection may be granted for a disability which is
due to a disease or injury which was incurred in or
aggravated by service. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1110; 38 C.F.R.
§ 3.303. 38 C.F.R. § 3.304(f) provides that service
connection for post traumatic stress disorder requires
medical evidence establishing a clear diagnosis of the
disorder, credible supporting evidence that the claimed in-
service stressor actually occurred and a link, established by
medical evidence, between current symptomatology and the
claimed in-service stressor. If the claimed stressor is
related to combat, service department evidence that the
veteran engaged in combat or that the veteran was awarded the
Purple Heart, Combat Infantryman Badge, or similar combat
citation will be accepted, in the absence of evidence to the
contrary, as conclusive evidence of the claimed in-service
stressor. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1154; 38 C.F.R. § 3.304(f); Zarycki
v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 91, 97 (1993). If the Board determines
that the veteran did not engage in combat with the enemy, the
claimed stressor(s) must be sufficiently corroborated by
service records or other sources to establish the occurrence
of the claimed stressful events. See Moreau v. Brown, 9 Vet.
App. 389 (1996); Doran v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 283, 289 (1994).

In the present case, the veteran contends he has post
traumatic stress disorder as a result of his involvement in
an April 1969 motor vehicle accident while stationed in
Vietnam. Because the veteran’s military personnel records do
not indicate participation in combat, or awards thereto, his
claimed stressor must be sufficiently corroborated by
supporting evidence in order for it to be accepted for
service connection purposes. By way of corroborative
evidence, the veteran’s service medical records indicate
treatment in April 1969 for injuries sustained in a motor
vehicle accident. Also, the May 1997 statement from the U.S.
Armed Services Center for Research of Unit Records confirms
the death of George Robinson in an April 1969 motor vehicle
accident, as indicated in one of the veteran’s earlier
accounts of the incident. Finally, the Center’s statement
confirms the veteran’s transfer to a military hospital the
same day as the accident. This evidence is sufficient to
verify the existence of the alleged incident and the
veteran’s involvement therein.

Next, the veteran must offer evidence of a clear diagnosis of
post traumatic stress disorder. 38 C.F.R. § 3.304.
According to the medical evidence of record, reported above,
he has been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder on
several occasions, by both private and VA medical examiners.
Several examiners have noted the veteran’s Vietnam
experiences, including the April 1969 motor vehicle accident.
The first diagnosis of record dates to June 1991, and the
most recent is from a board of two VA psychiatrists, who
diagnosed the veteran in July 1997. No medical evidence of
record contradicts these diagnoses or otherwise casts doubt
on their credibility.

The veteran having submitted credible supporting evidence of
an in-service stressor, a clear diagnosis of the disorder,
and a link, established by the medical evidence, between
current symptomatology and the claimed stressor, service
connection for post traumatic stress disorder is established.
38 C.F.R. § 3.304; Zarycki, supra.


ORDER

Service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is
granted.




G. H. SHUFELT
Member, Board of Veterans' Appeals

NOTICE OF APPELLATE RIGHTS: Under 38 U.S.C.A. § 7266 (West
1991 & Supp. 1998), a decision of the Board of Veterans'
Appeals granting less than the complete benefit, or benefits,
sought on appeal is appealable to the United States Court of
Veterans Appeals within 120 days from the date of mailing of
notice of the decision, provided that a Notice of
Disagreement concerning an issue which was before the Board
was filed with the agency of original jurisdiction on or
after November 18, 1988. Veterans' Judicial Review Act,
Pub. L. No. 100-687, § 402, 102 Stat. 4105, 4122 (1988). The
date which appears on the face of this decision constitutes
the date of mailing and the copy of this decision which you
have received is your notice of the action taken on your
appeal by the Board of Veterans' Appeals.
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#5 Philip Rogers

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Posted 11 May 2009 - 06:56 AM

A stressor need not be combat. I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11. I've helped vets win due to typhoon and an MVA. Both are either 100% or TDIU. I have another vet who witnessed a fatal parachute accident and shortly after his military behavior went down the tubes, so far that they discharged him, early. He's still in denial and won't file.

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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?



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Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:07 PM

I am currently awaiting my rating decision for PTSD. I have two stressors included in my claim. The first involved a shooting at a military post in Iraq that led to the killing of two civilians. The other stressor was the suicide of my father while I was stationed in Iraq. During the QTC appointment the psychologist talked about both incidents. The majority of the discussion involved the affects of my father's suicde. A rating decision was reached on May 19th but I am still waiting for that magical envelope. I will keep you posted if you would like

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:15 PM

I am not sure your father's suicide is going to be considered a stressor for PTSD purpose. That is probably why the QTC doctor focused on it. If you witnessed the killing of the two citizens in Iraq that would be a good stressor. Unless you discovered the suicide of your father I think the VA is going to say this is not a line of duty stressor. I think you need a private doctor to write a report to focus in on the killings you saw. Did you actually witness the killings? Were you close enough to where you might have been killed yourself?

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 04:51 PM

As long as the accident wasn't the result of alcohol or drugs then you can claim it. It's harder to get granted but it can be done. Remember, your doctor would have to write up a letter indicating that your accident in the military caused your PTSD.

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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?



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Posted 05 June 2009 - 05:01 PM

Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank


A stressor need not be combat. I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11. I've helped vets win due to typhoon and an MVA. Both are either 100% or TDIU. I have another vet who witnessed a fatal parachute accident and shortly after his military behavior went down the tubes, so far that they discharged him, early. He's still in denial and won't file.

pr



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Posted 05 June 2009 - 06:21 PM

Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank


Crypto,
You are reading more into it than pr posted.

He posted "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11."

Personally I do not read that as or even referring to,
" All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11."

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 06:55 PM

My husband has a claim that is being looked at for ptsd due to a mva while in the service, I hope all goes well with it,,

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:33 PM

Well I just read it again and his comment is pretty clear even without him saying the exact phrase.

PTSD is getting out of hand. Too many Vets are claiming PTSD that have no legitimate reason. Yes, there are those that actually have it but the word is out that if you served in Iraq claim PTSD when they discharge you.

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Crypto,
You are reading more into it than pr posted.

He posted "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11."

Personally I do not read that as or even referring to,
" All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11."

carlie


Edited by CRYPTOTECH, 05 June 2009 - 08:36 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:42 PM

Next thing you know we have vets claiming PTSD from having to do community showers or they didn't like the way Drill Seargant looked at them. Totally frivilous and I don't want my claim tied up if the VA is using their time on these. Plus, it makes us Vets look bad. A few rotten apples can affect the whole shabang.

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Edited by CRYPTOTECH, 05 June 2009 - 08:44 PM.


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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:45 PM

Charlie Brown:

Your Fathers death while you were deployed is still a very plausible reason for Depression or some form of anxiety disorder. I got 100% cause my son was born while I was deployed and I did not hold him or see him for 15 months. I felt that I was a failure as a Father and had anxiety or panic attacks that were linked to my deployment.

If you want to know the truth it may be easier to go that route than PTSD although I think seeing people killed if provable will do it.

Good Luck

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Posted 05 June 2009 - 08:50 PM

You're exactly right. A death in the family is more connected to depression or anxiety. If you see a family member die in an accident then PTSD could be claimed. Just having a death in the family isn't a PTSD stressor. It's easier to claim depression and anxiety.

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Charlie Brown:

Your Fathers death while you were deployed is still a very plausible reason for Depression or some form of anxiety disorder. I got 100% cause my son was born while I was deployed and I did not hold him or see him for 15 months. I felt that I was a failure as a Father and had anxiety or panic attacks that were linked to my deployment.

If you want to know the truth it may be easier to go that route than PTSD although I think seeing people killed if provable will do it.

Good Luck



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Posted 06 June 2009 - 03:54 AM

CRYPTO - I gather you have an advanced degree in psychiatry or psychology? Or is that just your "lay" opinion? What I wrote was "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11" and then gave two examples of veterans I'd assisted w/non-combat related PTSD. I never mentioned veterans filing using 9/11 as a stressor. Personally, I don't care how many file. If they're fakes they'll get weeded out. The VA is the one requiring stressor proof and what may be a stressor to one person won't necessarily be a stressor to another. And who are you to judge what is or is not a "legitimate claim!" jmo

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Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank



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Posted 06 June 2009 - 08:39 AM

My point is that there are a lot of emotional disorders that can be triggered by events in a person's life while they are in the military that are not PTSD, but are disabling mental conditions. PTSD is a specific kind of anxiety disorder, but other types of anxiety and depression or psychotic disorders occur and it is easier to service connect them than to chase a PTSD claim. The last mental C&P exam I had the doctor tried to say I was claiming PTSD when I was claiming an increase for other accepted conditions of long standing. I felt he was only interested in PTSD claims.
By encouraging a vet to claim a weak PTSD disability it is setting him/her up for failure when he/she might have a strong and documented claim for depression, for instance. Unless you have a PTSD claim based on some verifiable and pretty horrible stressor you have an uphill battle. This is just a needless fight sometimes that is a diversion. If you were hospitalized for depression in the service why would you want to claim PTSD? That is the point. The VA and Military are focused on PTSD because they are catching hell from OIF/OEF vets, congress and the media. This will fade to black as soon as these wars wind down. PTSD is the hardest mental claim to win because you have to show verifiable stressors. The others you just need to show treatment while AD or at least diagnosis while AD.

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:09 AM

Hey Chief,

That was just my "common sense" opinion.

Your earlier comment was clearly indicating 9/11 as a stressor for PTSD. It doesn't take rocket science to see that. Remember, ex Pres. Bush had his deceptive way of saying things without saying the actual words. Personally, I care for S/C veterans that have pending claims so I DO care how many frivilous claims are being filed. Most of the time the fakes get weeded out but the whole process of weeding them out takes time away from the legitimate claims. And of course the VA requires a stressor for PTSD. It wouldn't be PTSD otherwise. What is boils down to are there are those that are legitimate and those that just want the money and benefits.



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CRYPTO - I gather you have an advanced degree in psychiatry or psychology? Or is that just your "lay" opinion? What I wrote was "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11" and then gave two examples of veterans I'd assisted w/non-combat related PTSD. I never mentioned veterans filing using 9/11 as a stressor. Personally, I don't care how many file. If they're fakes they'll get weeded out. The VA is the one requiring stressor proof and what may be a stressor to one person won't necessarily be a stressor to another. And who are you to judge what is or is not a "legitimate claim!" jmo

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Posted 06 June 2009 - 10:15 AM

Totally agree. Advising a depressed Vet to claim PTSD when there wasn't a stressor is bad for the Vet and VA. All that does is prolong the claim for the Vet and put them through the ringer. If you're diagnosed Depression or bipolar then claim those, don't claim PTSD if you didn't have a valid stressor. Saying your dog died while on duty is NOT a valid stressor.

You're totally correct about PTSD being much harder to prove than depression, anxiety, or bipolar disorder.

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My point is that there are a lot of emotional disorders that can be triggered by events in a person's life while they are in the military that are not PTSD, but are disabling mental conditions. PTSD is a specific kind of anxiety disorder, but other types of anxiety and depression or psychotic disorders occur and it is easier to service connect them than to chase a PTSD claim. The last mental C&P exam I had the doctor tried to say I was claiming PTSD when I was claiming an increase for other accepted conditions of long standing. I felt he was only interested in PTSD claims.
By encouraging a vet to claim a weak PTSD disability it is setting him/her up for failure when he/she might have a strong and documented claim for depression, for instance. Unless you have a PTSD claim based on some verifiable and pretty horrible stressor you have an uphill battle. This is just a needless fight sometimes that is a diversion. If you were hospitalized for depression in the service why would you want to claim PTSD? That is the point. The VA and Military are focused on PTSD because they are catching hell from OIF/OEF vets, congress and the media. This will fade to black as soon as these wars wind down. PTSD is the hardest mental claim to win because you have to show verifiable stressors. The others you just need to show treatment while AD or at least diagnosis while AD.



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Posted 16 June 2009 - 05:37 PM

Actually, my C & P is in a couple weeks. I'm concerned about being totally honest, since I've had some pretty ugly thoughts about harming others, and don't want that to affect my life.

The ironic part is: the only reason a nice guy like me has been having these thoughts is the extreme anger regarding the unfairness of the Social Security disability process.

I began focusing on the VA side of the house when informed it would likely be at least 2 years to see an ALJ (judge) about the Social Security denial.

Does anyone have knowledge of how telling a C & P examiner about violent thoughts they might report you?

Thanks!

Edited by Pete53, 23 June 2009 - 08:01 PM.
Removed a possible trigger for Members rest of Post ok


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Posted 23 June 2009 - 08:55 AM

I am currently awaiting my rating decision for PTSD. I have two stressors included in my claim. The first involved a shooting at a military post in Iraq that led to the killing of two civilians. The other stressor was the suicide of my father while I was stationed in Iraq. During the QTC appointment the psychologist talked about both incidents. The majority of the discussion involved the affects of my father's suicde. A rating decision was reached on May 19th but I am still waiting for that magical envelope. I will keep you posted if you would like



Sorry to hear about your father

#22 billy2

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 06:03 PM

Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?


I felt guilty about filing a claim for PTSD for combat in Nam till I read these posts. I guess getting ambushed or booby trapped mean a lot more to me today than someone having a car accident while drunk on some base in the states. I agree with you Cryptotech

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 07:31 PM

Notorious Kelly,

You will learn quickly on this forum that remarks like that are not funny at all. There are many vets here (myself included) who truly suffer with severe PTSD on a daily basis. It's not something to laugh about.

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 10:07 PM

If your PTSD is due to wilfull misconduct on your part, whether it be in Vietnam or the states, the DVA will not approve it.

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Posted 23 June 2009 - 11:20 PM

Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?


The person asked a question and we have some answers.
There some legitimate members here who have been through this type of claim.
I know one that may reply or PM you.

others, we need to keep on topic. Cryptotech if you want to start a new post plese do so.

J

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 06:17 AM

Kelly

You can discuss violent thoughts with your shrink, but skip the violent "Plans".
If he thinks you are going to kill someone he has a duty to call for help. If you tell the shrink you are going to get your Glock and kill those bastards at SSA you will get yourself locked up. You can say you feel like.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 06:47 AM

GruntDaddy-

The post I was referring to has mysteriously disappeared. Really irritates me when this happens without an explanation. I don't know if Kelly removed it, or if a Mod removed it.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 07:56 AM

If you look at the bottom of the post in question (Kelly's)
you will see that a moderator edited the post.
carlie

#29 Notorious Kelly

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:14 AM

Thanks for the tip, John. My feelings can vary quite a bit from day to day.

I can't help but feel that if those before us had raised a lot more hell we wouldn't be in the same boat of waiting years for relief.

I'm not waiting years.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:47 AM

Thanks Carlie----my bad. I apologize.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:54 AM

Kelly

I think after WWII many vets did not feel they had a right to ask for serious compensation. Vietnam vets were just denied on such a host of issues that they got a horrible opinion of the VA, and wanted no part of it. Now the newest generation of vets has to deal with 60 years of neglect. Each generation deals with neglect because it was even worse for vets from WWI and earlier.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 08:57 AM

Purple:

Thanks I edited out the first sentence which I felt could be a trigger. Even when a post disappears it is saved and the Mods and Tbird can review it. The only time it goes poof is when a member asks for it to happen and Tbird pulls the trigger.

Tbird is always willing to listen or look at suggestions that Members think will improve Hadit. That is one of the things that makes Hadit special in my opinion

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:04 AM

Agreed. Thank-you. I apologize for being snippy.

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 09:25 AM

Yikes- my goal is to 'do no harm' here.

Is there a post with info about 'triggers', because I'm not familiar with that?

Thanks!

kelly

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 07:23 PM

When I went to the QTC Shrink the other day, I knew that I should not bring up non-military related stressors. I thought that it would be a waste of time, and from these posts, I'm not sure I did the right thing. Some people think it is funny when I tell them that I was torchered by my own government! I will not go into details because it is a long hard story. If people think the terrorist at Gitmo was torchered, that was only college stuff. Regardless the Shrink was not interested in anything but military stressors.

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Posted 11 July 2009 - 07:57 PM

You are not going to get very far unless you can show VA a verifiable stressor.

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 05:35 AM

You are not going to get very far unless you can show VA a verifiable stressor.



i was in a car accident its in my smr's 2 times. i was riding in passenger seat coming off base...it happen in 1995.. i never seen a phy about it till now .. i been dx with non combat ptsd by the va theripist but that was something else and i get therapy and meds from va for it.. my question is this.. since i know my ptsd started from the car accident as i told my private therpist that i was embarred about getting treatment for it will in service but since something else happen about 5 years ago it was easier to see the theripist about my recent accident so i just talked about my symptoms and got my meds . i would just talk about my recent accident during my va therapy ... i have a service stressor and a current diagnose of non combat ptsd...so i know i got get a nexus letter connecting the two. and how my car acciednt started my ptsd and my recent acciedent aggravated it but my car acciednt is the mojoiry and the main source of my ptsd... and suggestions???????

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 09:18 AM

madman12, newby

I have been working my claim for two incidents that occured in active military service.
the first one occurred in 1983, a 330kw ship/shore power cable blew up in my face as i was stowing it away for sea. resulting in a near fatal electrocution, flash burns to the face, eyes, and upper exposed arms, and nuerological blindness lasting 27 hours. the second was in 1991, from an attempted murder assualt while onboard a navy ship, ie attacked from behind by an unknown assailant. required 8 stitches to close up the injury and resulted affects were concussion and post concussion symptoms. I was an 18 year veteran, and as a result of these injuries I lost my career, retiremaent and everything else I held dear to me. filed my initial claim in 1992. Was told by va that since my injuries were not caused by or related to combat that I was not eligible for compensation or benefits from the va. reopened my claim in 2007, after diagnoses of severe, chronic ptsd from the va outpatient clinic in san antonio. Am still waiting after almost two years to get to a dro board. evidence of these stressors are in my smr's and personell records which show a clear and undeniable chains of events leading up to honorable discharge from the united states navy, I only wish that I would have been in a better mental condition in 1992 to have pursued the claim.....

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 10:30 AM

You need to find official info on the car accident. Newspaper reports and better accident reports or anything official in Military records including treatment for injuries. The more stuff you can show the better.

A car accident is a stressor recognized to cause PTSD.

Good Luck

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Posted 12 July 2009 - 11:55 AM

You need to find official info on the car accident. Newspaper reports and better accident reports or anything official in Military records including treatment for injuries. The more stuff you can show the better.

A car accident is a stressor recognized to cause PTSD.

Good Luck



the only thing i have is the 2 timesthat it shows up in my smr's that show the treatment for car accident .. show i know i have the smr with me getting treatment twice for my car acciednent ... and i have the dx of a curent non combat ptsd from a recent 5 year ago accidnet .. so is a long shot? i know i have to connect the two as the va will not... i have in service stressor current diagnoses of non combat ptsd ..is a long shot by saying my ptsd started in service but i never talked about it till my last acciednt ..