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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?

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Mine is still under review.

Here's some info that may help you understand why you feel like you do.

Allan

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Traumatic Stress and Motor Vehicle Accidents

Todd Buckley, Ph.D.

Introduction

Researchers are looking more closely at motor vehicle accidents (MVAs) as a common cause of traumatic stress. In one large study, accidents were shown to be the traumatic event most frequently experienced by males (25%) and the second most frequent traumatic event experienced by females (13%) in the United States. Over 100 billion dollars are spent every year to take care of the damage caused by auto accidents. Survivors of MVAs often also experience emotional distress as a result of such accidents. Mental-health difficulties such as posttraumatic stress, depression, and anxiety are problems survivors of severe MVAs may exhibit. This fact sheet addresses important issues related to MVAs, including how many people experience serious MVAs, how many people develop MVA-related Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) and other psychological reactions, what the risk factors are for MVA-related PTSD, and what kind of treatments help MVA-related PTSD.

How many people experience serious motor vehicle accidents?

One unfortunate consequence of the high volume of commuter and personal travel in the U.S. is the number of accidents that result in personal injury and fatalities. In any given year, approximately 1% of the U.S. population will be injured in motor vehicle accidents. Thus, MVAs account for over 3 million injuries annually and are one of the most common traumas individuals experience.

How many people develop MVA-related PTSD and other psychological reactions?

Research on individuals seeking treatment and individuals in the general population suggests that the majority of those who survive a serious MVA do not develop mental-health problems that warrant professional treatment. However, a substantial minority of MVA survivors suffer from mental-health problems, the most common of which are Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), Major Depression, and Anxiety Disorders.

Studies of the general population have found that approximately 9% of MVA survivors develop PTSD. Rates are significantly higher in samples of MVA survivors who seek mental-health treatment. Studies show that between 14% and 100% of MVA survivors who seek mental-health treatment have PTSD, with an average of 60% across studies. In addition, between 3% and 53% of MVA survivors who seek treatment and have PTSD also have a mood disorder such as Major Depression. Finally, in one large study of MVA survivors who sought treatment, 27% had an anxiety disorder in addition to their PTSD, and 15% reported a phobia of driving.

What are the risk factors for MVA-related PTSD?

Recent research has identified variables that have predictive value when trying to determine who might experience PTSD after a serious accident. The use of such research allows clinicians to identify individuals at risk for long-term mental-health problems secondary to their accident.

The research focusing on identifying at risk individuals has been directed at three sets of variables: characteristics about the individual that were present prior to the MVA, accident-related variables, and postaccident variables.

• Pre-accident variables such as poor ability to cope in reaction to previous traumatic events, the presence of a pre-accident mental-health problem (e.g., depression), and poor social support have all been linked to the development of PTSD following severe MVAs.

• With respect to accident-related variables, the amount of physical injury, potential life-threat, and loss of significant others have been predictive of the development of mental-health problems such as PTSD. That is, as the amount of physical injury and fear of dying increase, the chance of developing PTSD also increases.

• Postaccident variables that are predictive of PTSD following MVAs are: the rate of physical recovery from injury, the level of social support from friends and family, and the level of active reengagement in both work and social activities. To the extent that physical limitations will allow, survivors of MVAs should be encouraged to maintain as much of their pre-accident lifestyle as possible, with as much support from family and friends as possible. Such coping strategies appear to be linked with positive mental-health outcomes.

What treatments are available for MVA-related PTSD?

One aspect of MVA-related PTSD that is different from PTSD caused by other traumas is the increased likelihood of being injured or developing a chronic pain condition following the trauma. As a result, many people who have been in an MVA present first to their primary care physicians for treatment and do not consider psychological treatment for some time. Unfortunately, studies have shown that of the people who develop PTSD and do not seek psychological treatment, approximately half continue to have symptoms for more than six months or a year. Therefore, it is important to identify the symptoms early on and seek appropriate psychological treatment.

A number of different treatment approaches have proven effective for MVA-related PTSD. Treatments include behavior therapy, cognitive therapy, and medications. In addition, it may be useful to work with a chronic pain specialist to help manage the physical pain caused by the injury. Sometimes these treatments are provided in conjunction with one another. Readers who are interested in more extensive information regarding treatment and provider contacts will find the websites listed below to be useful.

Additional Information

Readers can find a full exposition of the personal and accident-related characteristics associated with poor mental-health outcomes after MVAs in an excellent book, After the Crash, by Blanchard and Hickling (1997). This book also explains a comprehensive approach to treatment for clinicians working with severe accident survivors.

Suggested Readings on Psychosocial Research and Motor Vehicle Accidents

Blanchard, E.B., & Hickling, E.J. (1997). After the crash. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.

Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Barton, K.A., Taylor, A.E., Loos, W.R., & Jones-Alexander, J. (1996). One-year prospective follow-up of motor vehicle accident victims. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 34, 775-786.

Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Forneris, C.A., Taylor, A.E., Buckley, T.C., Loos, W.R., & Jaccard, J. (1997). Prediction of remission of acute Posttraumatic Stress Disorder in motor vehicle accident victims. Journal of Traumatic Stress, 10, 215-234.

Blanchard, E.B., Hickling, E.J., Taylor, A.E., & Loos, W.R. (1995). Psychiatric morbidity associated with motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 183, 495-504.

Bryant, R.A., & Harvey, A.G. (1995). Avoidant coping style and posttraumatic stress following motor vehicle accidents. Behaviour Research and Therapy, 33, 631-635.

Buckley, T.C., Blanchard, E.B., & Hickling, E.J. (1996). A prospective examination of delayed onset PTSD secondary to motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 105, 617-625.

Ehlers, A., Mayou, R.A., & Bryant, B. (1998). Psychological predictors of chronic Posttraumatic Stress Disorder after motor vehicle accidents. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, 107, 508-519.

Kuch, K., Cox, B.J., & Evans, R.J. (1996). Posttraumatic Stress Disorder and motor vehicle accidents: A multidisciplinary overview. Canadian Journal of Psychiatry, 41, 429-434.

Taylor, S., & Koch, W.J. (1995). Anxiety disorders due to motor vehicle accidents: Nature and treatment. Clinical Psychology Review, 15, 721-738

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I have a very good friend who is 50% for an auto accident that occured on A/D.

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Citation Nr: 9817488

Decision Date: 06/05/98 Archive Date: 06/15/98

DOCKET NO. 93-02 342 ) DATE

)

)

On appeal from the

Department of Veterans Affairs Regional Office in Providence,

Rhode Island

THE ISSUE

Entitlement to service connection for post traumatic stress

disorder.

REPRESENTATION

Appellant represented by: Disabled American Veterans

WITNESS AT HEARING ON APPEAL

Appellant

ATTORNEY FOR THE BOARD

Thomas D. Jones

INTRODUCTION

The veteran served on active duty from November 1967 to June

1969.

This matter comes before the Board of Veterans’ Appeals

(Board) on appeal from a August 1991 rating decision of a

Regional Office (RO) of the Department of Veterans Affairs

(VA), which denied the veteran service connection for post

traumatic stress disorder. The veteran filed a timely notice

of disagreement and substantive appeal, commencing this

appeal.

The veteran’s appeal was initially presented to the Board in

March 1996, at which time it was remanded for additional

evidentiary development. That development having been

accomplished, the appeal has been returned to the Board.

CONTENTIONS OF APPELLANT ON APPEAL

The veteran contends he has post traumatic stress disorder as

a result of trauma experienced during service; therefore,

service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is

warranted.

DECISION OF THE BOARD

The Board, in accordance with the provisions of 38 U.S.C.A.

§ 7104 (West 1991 & Supp. 1998), has reviewed and considered

all of the evidence and material of record in the veteran's

claims file(s). Based on its review of the relevant evidence

in this matter, and for the following reasons and bases, it

is the decision of the Board that service connection for post

traumatic stress disorder is warranted.

FINDING OF FACT

The veteran has post traumatic stress disorder as a result of

trauma experienced during service.

CONCLUSION OF LAW

Service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is

warranted. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1110 (West 1991); 38 C.F.R. § 3.304

(1997).

REASONS AND BASES FOR FINDINGS AND CONCLUSION

Background

According to the service medical records, the veteran was

treated for several days in April 1969 for injuries sustained

in a motor vehicle accident.

In February 1991, the veteran filed a claim for service

connection for post traumatic stress disorder. He was

afforded a VA medical examination in June 1991, at which time

a diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder was indicated.

The veteran’s claim was denied by the RO in an August 1991

rating decision. The veteran filed a timely notice of

disagreement and initiated this appeal.

The veteran was afforded a personal hearing at the RO in May

1992. He described his involvement in a motor vehicle

accident during service. According to the veteran’s

testimony, he and some fellow soldiers were coming down a

mountain in a truck when it slid off the road and tumbled

down a cliff. He sustained a concussion and was hospitalized

for several days. A comrade by the name of George Robinson

was killed in this incident.

An April 1992 statement from a private psychiatrist diagnosed

the veteran with post traumatic stress disorder based on his

experiences in Vietnam, including the claimed motor vehicle

accident.

An October 1995 statement from a retired VA psychologist also

diagnosed the veteran with post traumatic stress disorder.

The VA examiner had been treating the veteran since 1989 for

post traumatic stress disorder. Among the indicated

stressors during service was an incident involving the

veteran’s military truck crashing over the edge of a ravine.

When the veteran’s claim was initially presented to the Board

in March 1996, it was remanded for additional evidentiary

development.

In May 1997, a statement was received from the U.S. Armed

Services Center for Research of Unit Records (“Center”)

concerning the veteran’s reported motor vehicle accident in

Vietnam. The Center’s report confirmed the death of George

Robinson in an April 1969 motor vehicle accident. Also

confirmed was the veteran’s transfer, for unspecified

reasons, to the 67th Evacuation Hospital on the same day.

The veteran was afforded another VA psychiatric examination

in July 1997. He was interviewed by a board of two VA

psychiatrists. He was diagnosed with post traumatic stress

disorder, described as mild but chronic, with delayed onset.

Thereafter, the denial of the veteran’s claim was continued

by the RO, and his case was returned to the Board.

Analysis

Service connection may be granted for a disability which is

due to a disease or injury which was incurred in or

aggravated by service. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1110; 38 C.F.R.

§ 3.303. 38 C.F.R. § 3.304(f) provides that service

connection for post traumatic stress disorder requires

medical evidence establishing a clear diagnosis of the

disorder, credible supporting evidence that the claimed in-

service stressor actually occurred and a link, established by

medical evidence, between current symptomatology and the

claimed in-service stressor. If the claimed stressor is

related to combat, service department evidence that the

veteran engaged in combat or that the veteran was awarded the

Purple Heart, Combat Infantryman Badge, or similar combat

citation will be accepted, in the absence of evidence to the

contrary, as conclusive evidence of the claimed in-service

stressor. 38 U.S.C.A. § 1154; 38 C.F.R. § 3.304(f); Zarycki

v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 91, 97 (1993). If the Board determines

that the veteran did not engage in combat with the enemy, the

claimed stressor(s) must be sufficiently corroborated by

service records or other sources to establish the occurrence

of the claimed stressful events. See Moreau v. Brown, 9 Vet.

App. 389 (1996); Doran v. Brown, 6 Vet. App. 283, 289 (1994).

In the present case, the veteran contends he has post

traumatic stress disorder as a result of his involvement in

an April 1969 motor vehicle accident while stationed in

Vietnam. Because the veteran’s military personnel records do

not indicate participation in combat, or awards thereto, his

claimed stressor must be sufficiently corroborated by

supporting evidence in order for it to be accepted for

service connection purposes. By way of corroborative

evidence, the veteran’s service medical records indicate

treatment in April 1969 for injuries sustained in a motor

vehicle accident. Also, the May 1997 statement from the U.S.

Armed Services Center for Research of Unit Records confirms

the death of George Robinson in an April 1969 motor vehicle

accident, as indicated in one of the veteran’s earlier

accounts of the incident. Finally, the Center’s statement

confirms the veteran’s transfer to a military hospital the

same day as the accident. This evidence is sufficient to

verify the existence of the alleged incident and the

veteran’s involvement therein.

Next, the veteran must offer evidence of a clear diagnosis of

post traumatic stress disorder. 38 C.F.R. § 3.304.

According to the medical evidence of record, reported above,

he has been diagnosed with post traumatic stress disorder on

several occasions, by both private and VA medical examiners.

Several examiners have noted the veteran’s Vietnam

experiences, including the April 1969 motor vehicle accident.

The first diagnosis of record dates to June 1991, and the

most recent is from a board of two VA psychiatrists, who

diagnosed the veteran in July 1997. No medical evidence of

record contradicts these diagnoses or otherwise casts doubt

on their credibility.

The veteran having submitted credible supporting evidence of

an in-service stressor, a clear diagnosis of the disorder,

and a link, established by the medical evidence, between

current symptomatology and the claimed stressor, service

connection for post traumatic stress disorder is established.

38 C.F.R. § 3.304; Zarycki, supra.

ORDER

Service connection for post traumatic stress disorder is

granted.

G. H. SHUFELT

Member, Board of Veterans' Appeals

NOTICE OF APPELLATE RIGHTS: Under 38 U.S.C.A. § 7266 (West

1991 & Supp. 1998), a decision of the Board of Veterans'

Appeals granting less than the complete benefit, or benefits,

sought on appeal is appealable to the United States Court of

Veterans Appeals within 120 days from the date of mailing of

notice of the decision, provided that a Notice of

Disagreement concerning an issue which was before the Board

was filed with the agency of original jurisdiction on or

after November 18, 1988. Veterans' Judicial Review Act,

Pub. L. No. 100-687, § 402, 102 Stat. 4105, 4122 (1988). The

date which appears on the face of this decision constitutes

the date of mailing and the copy of this decision which you

have received is your notice of the action taken on your

appeal by the Board of Veterans' Appeals.

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A stressor need not be combat. I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11. I've helped vets win due to typhoon and an MVA. Both are either 100% or TDIU. I have another vet who witnessed a fatal parachute accident and shortly after his military behavior went down the tubes, so far that they discharged him, early. He's still in denial and won't file.

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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?

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I am currently awaiting my rating decision for PTSD. I have two stressors included in my claim. The first involved a shooting at a military post in Iraq that led to the killing of two civilians. The other stressor was the suicide of my father while I was stationed in Iraq. During the QTC appointment the psychologist talked about both incidents. The majority of the discussion involved the affects of my father's suicde. A rating decision was reached on May 19th but I am still waiting for that magical envelope. I will keep you posted if you would like

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I am not sure your father's suicide is going to be considered a stressor for PTSD purpose. That is probably why the QTC doctor focused on it. If you witnessed the killing of the two citizens in Iraq that would be a good stressor. Unless you discovered the suicide of your father I think the VA is going to say this is not a line of duty stressor. I think you need a private doctor to write a report to focus in on the killings you saw. Did you actually witness the killings? Were you close enough to where you might have been killed yourself?

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As long as the accident wasn't the result of alcohol or drugs then you can claim it. It's harder to get granted but it can be done. Remember, your doctor would have to write up a letter indicating that your accident in the military caused your PTSD.

Frank

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Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank

A stressor need not be combat. I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11. I've helped vets win due to typhoon and an MVA. Both are either 100% or TDIU. I have another vet who witnessed a fatal parachute accident and shortly after his military behavior went down the tubes, so far that they discharged him, early. He's still in denial and won't file.

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Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank

Crypto,

You are reading more into it than pr posted.

He posted "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11."

Personally I do not read that as or even referring to,

" All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11."

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My husband has a claim that is being looked at for ptsd due to a mva while in the service, I hope all goes well with it,,

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Well I just read it again and his comment is pretty clear even without him saying the exact phrase.

PTSD is getting out of hand. Too many Vets are claiming PTSD that have no legitimate reason. Yes, there are those that actually have it but the word is out that if you served in Iraq claim PTSD when they discharge you.

Frank

Crypto,

You are reading more into it than pr posted.

He posted "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11."

Personally I do not read that as or even referring to,

" All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11."

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Next thing you know we have vets claiming PTSD from having to do community showers or they didn't like the way Drill Seargant looked at them. Totally frivilous and I don't want my claim tied up if the VA is using their time on these. Plus, it makes us Vets look bad. A few rotten apples can affect the whole shabang.

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Charlie Brown:

Your Fathers death while you were deployed is still a very plausible reason for Depression or some form of anxiety disorder. I got 100% cause my son was born while I was deployed and I did not hold him or see him for 15 months. I felt that I was a failure as a Father and had anxiety or panic attacks that were linked to my deployment.

If you want to know the truth it may be easier to go that route than PTSD although I think seeing people killed if provable will do it.

Good Luck

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You're exactly right. A death in the family is more connected to depression or anxiety. If you see a family member die in an accident then PTSD could be claimed. Just having a death in the family isn't a PTSD stressor. It's easier to claim depression and anxiety.

frank

Charlie Brown:

Your Fathers death while you were deployed is still a very plausible reason for Depression or some form of anxiety disorder. I got 100% cause my son was born while I was deployed and I did not hold him or see him for 15 months. I felt that I was a failure as a Father and had anxiety or panic attacks that were linked to my deployment.

If you want to know the truth it may be easier to go that route than PTSD although I think seeing people killed if provable will do it.

Good Luck

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CRYPTO - I gather you have an advanced degree in psychiatry or psychology? Or is that just your "lay" opinion? What I wrote was "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11" and then gave two examples of veterans I'd assisted w/non-combat related PTSD. I never mentioned veterans filing using 9/11 as a stressor. Personally, I don't care how many file. If they're fakes they'll get weeded out. The VA is the one requiring stressor proof and what may be a stressor to one person won't necessarily be a stressor to another. And who are you to judge what is or is not a "legitimate claim!" jmo

pr

Oh man, just what we need. All veterans filing for PTSD from 9/11. Unless you were there in NY when it happened then I would be hard pressed to see someone getting granted for that.

Do you mean a Vet watching the news covering 9/11 or a vet actually in NY when it's happening. Or a vet with a relative that was injured or killed in 9/11. Sounds vague to think that Vets would be filing for 9/11 just by knowledge of the event.

The VA system is backlogged as it is. This would only hurt other vets that have legitimate claims.

Just my 2 cents. Maybe 3.

Frank

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My point is that there are a lot of emotional disorders that can be triggered by events in a person's life while they are in the military that are not PTSD, but are disabling mental conditions. PTSD is a specific kind of anxiety disorder, but other types of anxiety and depression or psychotic disorders occur and it is easier to service connect them than to chase a PTSD claim. The last mental C&P exam I had the doctor tried to say I was claiming PTSD when I was claiming an increase for other accepted conditions of long standing. I felt he was only interested in PTSD claims.

By encouraging a vet to claim a weak PTSD disability it is setting him/her up for failure when he/she might have a strong and documented claim for depression, for instance. Unless you have a PTSD claim based on some verifiable and pretty horrible stressor you have an uphill battle. This is just a needless fight sometimes that is a diversion. If you were hospitalized for depression in the service why would you want to claim PTSD? That is the point. The VA and Military are focused on PTSD because they are catching hell from OIF/OEF vets, congress and the media. This will fade to black as soon as these wars wind down. PTSD is the hardest mental claim to win because you have to show verifiable stressors. The others you just need to show treatment while AD or at least diagnosis while AD.

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Hey Chief,

That was just my "common sense" opinion.

Your earlier comment was clearly indicating 9/11 as a stressor for PTSD. It doesn't take rocket science to see that. Remember, ex Pres. Bush had his deceptive way of saying things without saying the actual words. Personally, I care for S/C veterans that have pending claims so I DO care how many frivilous claims are being filed. Most of the time the fakes get weeded out but the whole process of weeding them out takes time away from the legitimate claims. And of course the VA requires a stressor for PTSD. It wouldn't be PTSD otherwise. What is boils down to are there are those that are legitimate and those that just want the money and benefits.

Frank

CRYPTO - I gather you have an advanced degree in psychiatry or psychology? Or is that just your "lay" opinion? What I wrote was "I'm surprised more people don't have PTSD from 9/11" and then gave two examples of veterans I'd assisted w/non-combat related PTSD. I never mentioned veterans filing using 9/11 as a stressor. Personally, I don't care how many file. If they're fakes they'll get weeded out. The VA is the one requiring stressor proof and what may be a stressor to one person won't necessarily be a stressor to another. And who are you to judge what is or is not a "legitimate claim!" jmo

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Totally agree. Advising a depressed Vet to claim PTSD when there wasn't a stressor is bad for the Vet and VA. All that does is prolong the claim for the Vet and put them through the ringer. If you're diagnosed Depression or bipolar then claim those, don't claim PTSD if you didn't have a valid stressor. Saying your dog died while on duty is NOT a valid stressor.

You're totally correct about PTSD being much harder to prove than depression, anxiety, or bipolar disorder.

Frank

My point is that there are a lot of emotional disorders that can be triggered by events in a person's life while they are in the military that are not PTSD, but are disabling mental conditions. PTSD is a specific kind of anxiety disorder, but other types of anxiety and depression or psychotic disorders occur and it is easier to service connect them than to chase a PTSD claim. The last mental C&P exam I had the doctor tried to say I was claiming PTSD when I was claiming an increase for other accepted conditions of long standing. I felt he was only interested in PTSD claims.

By encouraging a vet to claim a weak PTSD disability it is setting him/her up for failure when he/she might have a strong and documented claim for depression, for instance. Unless you have a PTSD claim based on some verifiable and pretty horrible stressor you have an uphill battle. This is just a needless fight sometimes that is a diversion. If you were hospitalized for depression in the service why would you want to claim PTSD? That is the point. The VA and Military are focused on PTSD because they are catching hell from OIF/OEF vets, congress and the media. This will fade to black as soon as these wars wind down. PTSD is the hardest mental claim to win because you have to show verifiable stressors. The others you just need to show treatment while AD or at least diagnosis while AD.

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Actually, my C & P is in a couple weeks. I'm concerned about being totally honest, since I've had some pretty ugly thoughts about harming others, and don't want that to affect my life.

The ironic part is: the only reason a nice guy like me has been having these thoughts is the extreme anger regarding the unfairness of the Social Security disability process.

I began focusing on the VA side of the house when informed it would likely be at least 2 years to see an ALJ (judge) about the Social Security denial.

Does anyone have knowledge of how telling a C & P examiner about violent thoughts they might report you?

Thanks!

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I am currently awaiting my rating decision for PTSD. I have two stressors included in my claim. The first involved a shooting at a military post in Iraq that led to the killing of two civilians. The other stressor was the suicide of my father while I was stationed in Iraq. During the QTC appointment the psychologist talked about both incidents. The majority of the discussion involved the affects of my father's suicde. A rating decision was reached on May 19th but I am still waiting for that magical envelope. I will keep you posted if you would like

Sorry to hear about your father

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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?

I felt guilty about filing a claim for PTSD for combat in Nam till I read these posts. I guess getting ambushed or booby trapped mean a lot more to me today than someone having a car accident while drunk on some base in the states. I agree with you Cryptotech

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Notorious Kelly,

You will learn quickly on this forum that remarks like that are not funny at all. There are many vets here (myself included) who truly suffer with severe PTSD on a daily basis. It's not something to laugh about.

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If your PTSD is due to wilfull misconduct on your part, whether it be in Vietnam or the states, the DVA will not approve it.

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Anyone ever file or know of a non-combat related PTSD compensation claim arising from a serious accident stressor like a car crash, motorcycle accident or military equipment failure etc.? What happened with the claim?

The person asked a question and we have some answers.

There some legitimate members here who have been through this type of claim.

I know one that may reply or PM you.

others, we need to keep on topic. Cryptotech if you want to start a new post plese do so.

J

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