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#1 Cruinthe

 
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Posted 06 April 2010 - 08:28 PM

My story is over at vawatchdog due to my VARO sending me a VCAA regarding a "menstrual disorder". I am male, and I am service-connected for prostatitis.

The Fox news editor asked me if I know of anyone else with VA horror stories. Now is our time to stand up and be counted, people.

Mail me glennmcbride@gmail.com for more info.

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 10:10 PM

A lot of folks call it baffonery. I call it a carefully coreograph scripted production. No one can be that stupid, not even Forrest Gump. We have some members here who if they would comne forward would make you sit back and flat cry like a baby. In my 10 + years at Hadit, I have seen thousands of claims and have witnessed some amazing denials. Many of these folks waited years to get rated as we all watched each episode of their claims.

I am not surprised as the answers we get from the RO. The craziest one I have heard is a Vet was sent a SSOC stating he was deceased, yet he is still alive today.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

I think there are plenty of horror stories, but since most Veterans are aware of the VA's "ability to retaliate" on Veteran's, they arent talking. The VA can deny, reduce, delay or even shred Veterans claims, and the Veteran simply has no recourse, as it would appear that VA employees are "exempt" from prosecution. Consider the Cleveland RO manager. The Cleveland RO is one of the worst in the country to Veterans, and also one of the worst at shredding evidence. So, what happens to that manager? She was promoted to the VA Central Office.
Sources:

http://blog.clevelan...k_vasil_of.html

http://www.vawatchdo.../nf120408-1.htm

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 08:28 AM

I think there are plenty of horror stories, but since most Veterans are aware of the VA's "ability to retaliate" on Veteran's, they arent talking. The VA can deny, reduce, delay or even shred Veterans claims, and the Veteran simply has no recourse....


I think broncovet hit the nail on the head here. It's too bad, because getting the truth out into the light would likely be the best hope of change, but who can risk losing what they've fought so hard for?

If we could dare, if we could be sure the VA could never flag us as 'troublesome', there would be thousands and thousands of voices. But instead we're forced to stay silent, speaking up only in places like this web board.

Edited to add: I wonder if the opposite is also true, and if going on the news and singing the praises of the VA would get a veteran flagged as a 'good doobie' and grease the wheels for them?

Edited by hedgey, 07 April 2010 - 08:30 AM.


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Posted 07 April 2010 - 09:38 AM

I doubt it. Since this whole kerfuffle started, the VA has ignored my request for fibromyalgia and IBS, and it attempting to lower my rating for Chronic Prostatitis that I have had since 1993. No good deed goes unpunished.

I am willing to make this sacrifice, though, even if it costs me some of percentages. Time will tell.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 10:04 AM

My story is over at vawatchdog due to my VARO sending me a VCAA regarding a "menstrual disorder". I am male, and I am service-connected for prostatitis.

The Fox news editor asked me if I know of anyone else with VA horror stories. Now is our time to stand up and be counted, people.

Mail me glennmcbride@gmail.com for more info.


VA said i was married never was, but claimed they had my marriage certificate, then told me they didn't recieve my records, when the other ones in the same envelope were there...asked to see my c file, they said no

#7 carlie

 
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Posted 07 April 2010 - 10:26 AM

In my opinion, many times the old saying,
"the squeaky wheel gets the grease" holds true.

I fail to see anyway that VBA claimants are
"forced to stay silent, speaking up only in places like this web board".

The VA is actually the ones that taught me to speak up.

There is a 38 CFR reg that offers us protection from retaliation of decision makers
and all VA employees.
I would not hesitate to provide a copy of this to ANY VA employee that wanted to give vets a
difficult time for speaking up.

jmho,
carlie



§ 4.23 Attitude of rating officers.
It is to be remembered that the majority of applicants are disabled persons who are seeking benefits of law to which they believe themselves entitled.
In the exercise of his or her functions, rating officers must not allow their personal feelings to intrude; an antagonistic, critical, or even abusive attitude
on the part of a claimant should not in any instance influence the officers in the handling of the case.
Fairness and courtesy must at all times be shown to applicants by all employees whose duties bring them in contact, directly or indirectly, with the Depart- ment’s claimants.
[41 FR 11292, Mar. 18, 1976]

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 11:12 AM

Carlie,

In line six it says, "should not".
Those 2 words, well actually just the word "should", effectively nullifies the whole thing.

Very few people can be subjected to daily abuse without it effecting them.

The fact that '§ 4.23 Attitude of rating officers' even exits tells me something bad about the whole system.
Pi--ed off people are usually pi--ed off for a reason.
Satisfied clients will never come back to haunt you.

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Posted 07 April 2010 - 11:25 AM

In my opinion, many times the old saying,
"the squeaky wheel gets the grease" holds true.

I fail to see anyway that VBA claimants are
"forced to stay silent, speaking up only in places like this web board".

The VA is actually the ones that taught me to speak up.


jmho,
carlie


Carlie, thanks for calling me on that remark. I've been told by MH doc's that I am irrationally (though understandably) suspicious of authority and government organization, and that I often let my paranoia interfere with my best interests.

When I limit that irrationality to my own little universe, it's my own problem. When I let it influence me to make public remarks that might cause angst or suspicion in readers who might have no other reason to worry about how the VA operates... well, that's wrong.

I'm sorry I posted my feelings about the VA in this regard. I don't have any proof, first hand or otherwise, of the VA mistreating vets based on their outspokenness. Anecdotes don't prove anything, and I really need to learn to give the VA the benefit of the doubt.

Thanks, too, Carlie, for saying that you've had success in being forthright and persistent with the VA. It gives me hope and a little bit of courage (maybe!)

So anyone who read my comment, forget it okay? As usual, it's me being quirky, jumpy and afraid.

Edited by hedgey, 07 April 2010 - 11:26 AM.


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Posted 07 April 2010 - 02:37 PM

If the VA shreds documents (which is illegal), and the VA violates other regulations with impunity, why should they bother to be in compliance with 38 CFR 4.23, especially when "an attitude" is a judgement call, but I do appreciate Carlie calling this reg to our attention.
The risk of retaliation at the VA is very real, and the burden would be on the Veteran to prove retaliation on them. Sometimes that would be difficult, because the VA is down right mean to many of us, purposely delaying claims. I have a Vetran friend who applied for benefits in 1973 and still has not gotten them in spite of obvious disabilities obviously caused from service. You can't tell me that it takes the VA 37 years to process paperwork, under any circumstances other than downright meanness, and because they can.
Most posters on hadit do so anonomously, with the use of a "handle", in part, to prevent the VA from retaliation.
If Fox News wants a story, and will help me shield my identity, then I will blast them with the truth.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 06:50 AM

truth to light is a natural occurance. the pen is mightier than the sword, brick by brick. there are many other reasons, parceled in such analogies, which support such a story, even it is carried by what some say is a biased network in the first place. good luck to bronco or any who choose to go forward to tell the story of many veterans by example of their own experiences.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 07:49 AM

I suppose the worse thing that happend is when my operation went bad and I ened up in the hospital six months for an operation that was only suppose to last a couple hours, and then go home in a few hours.. instead I am now crippled with the necratizing pancreatitis.. but, there was a chance this would happen, and it happened, so I am not sure it's anyone fault,, except that my injury started when on active duty many years ago.. because of chemical exposure and illness...

Oh yeah, when I was complaining about having the severe pain for many years, I then felt a very large mass.. nad it was pushing out of my stomach area under the ribs, and not only could I see the huge bulge, but it felt like I swallowed a softball and it was trying ot break out like in the alien movies.. the docotrs said they could not detect anything there even with their hands.. the next year.. it turned out to be a massive cyst on my pancreas.. 8 cm in size, pushing on my duodenum.. stomach, and intestines.. that was what led to the operation story above this paragraph.. which they finally acknowledged when the Cat Scan showed the massive cyst..

the next thing is having had I am HIV positive in my medical records when I am not HIV positive,, it's just they kept testing me and losing the tests,, then soemone entered that I have it in my medical records.. when in fact I am not HIV positive..

The VA hospital and nurses, and doctors have treated me very good..

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My story is over at vawatchdog due to my VARO sending me a VCAA regarding a "menstrual disorder". I am male, and I am service-connected for prostatitis.

The Fox news editor asked me if I know of anyone else with VA horror stories. Now is our time to stand up and be counted, people.

Mail me glennmcbride@gmail.com for more info.


Edited by retiredat44, 10 April 2010 - 12:11 AM.


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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:00 AM

I went to the VA dentist once and he was supposed to do a filling. He stopped and said that he could not do the procedure because I had a history of strokes. This was not true. Yes, the VA had mixed my records up with another vet. These kinds of errors could be fatal in another situation.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:14 AM

I work for a VAMC, and we're not all bad, some of us bust our ass to help. Please just remember that like any place with humans as employees there will be problems, I am not defending their actions, just saying that there are some of us who try to make the VA the best it can be.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 09:31 AM

I work for a VAMC, and we're not all bad, some of us bust our ass to help. Please just remember that like any place with humans as employees there will be problems, I am not defending their actions, just saying that there are some of us who try to make the VA the best it can be.

Folks up in LA VA Hospital are great. Most at Lafayette are good.
Doctor blew off my persistant cough,( Just got back from Balad Iraq and burn pits), which was later found to be polyps on my vocal cord. Was only found two or three month later because of a sinutius C&P. Forutunatly it was not cancer.

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Posted 08 April 2010 - 11:31 AM

woodenturkey,

Here we have discussed many SSOC's, decisions, ratings etc. that have to originate somewhere in the VA.
My SSOC's and decisions have always been seriously flawed, adding at least 20 years to the claims process.
My representative told me not to do any horror stories 'yet'.
Are we talking about records, medical decisions, RO paperwork or fill in the blanks?
I can dictate my stories and submitt them at a future date.

Have you ever seen one, at the office, that got screwed-up instead of doing it right the first time, obviously on purpose?
I know what retaliation is like and I'm not looking for any particular veteran's paperwork or any particular VA employee.
I can't believe so much 'stupid' could exist in one organization without looking for idiots during the hiring process.

I know several dedicated VA employees who do everything at their very best for every veteran and I'm sure I have not met all of the good folks yet.

If the veteran could participate in the adjudication process, in the first instance,
the veteran could help correct errors before any decision is applied.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 08:06 AM

I suppose the worse thing that happend is when my operation went bad and I ened up in the hospital six months for an operation that was only suppose to last a couple hours, and then go home in a few hours.. instead I am now crippled with the necratizing pancreatitis.. but, there was a chance this would happen, and it happened, so I am not sure it's anyone fault,, except that my injury started when on active duty many years ago.. because of chemical exposure and illness...

Oh yeah, when I was complaining about having the severe pain for many years, I then felt a very large mass.. nad it was pushing out of my stomach area under the ribs, and not only could I see the huge bulge, but it felt like I swallowed a softball and it was trying ot break out like in the alien movies.. the docotrs said they could not detect anything there even with their hands.. the next year.. it turned out to be a massive cyst on my pancreas.. 8 cm in size, pushing on my duodenum.. stomach, and intestines.. that was what led to the operation story above this paragraph.. which they finally acknowledged when the Cat Scan showed the massive cyst..

the next thing is having had I am HIV positive in my medical records when I am not HIV positive,, it's just they kept testing me and losing the tests,, then soemone entered that I have it in my medical records.. when in fact I am not HIV positive..

The VA hospital and nurses, and doctors have treated me very good..

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Please read Title 38 United States Code 1151.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:12 AM

Woodenturkey:

Thank you for your comments and yes the VA has many who work to help Veterans. In three years the Dallas VAMC has become a much more Vet friendly place than it was before.I have noticed that the VA employees stop and ask Veterans if they can give them directions and a couple of times I have been escorted to where I wanted to go although in a different direction than the person was coming from. I appreciate the efforts made to take one of the worse and make it better.

Keep in mind that most who come here are here cause they are very unhappy with the VA so there will be a lot of remarks made that could offend anyone who is pro VA or works for VA.

All I can say is please continue to do your best to help Veterans and soon there will be a lot fewer threads than now.

The VA has no excuse for the delays of processing claims and the large number of poorly done claims it puts out.I also think that if the VA would deal directly with their problems we would all be better off.

Managers who can't manage should be demoted back to something that they can do correctly




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