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Education For An 18 Year Old Dependant

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I need to find the form to fill out so I can keep my 18 year old on my claim. She is 18 but still going to school and starts college in the fall. Anyone know where the form is?

Thanks

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I need to find the form to fill out so I can keep my 18 year old on my claim. She is 18 but still going to school and starts college in the fall. Anyone know where the form is?

Thanks

I hate to say that once 18 they are no longer your VA dependent unless still attending HS........if still attending HS, then the HS will need to verify this in writing on school letterhead.

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She was 18 for the last few months of High School and I thought that if they are going to college and living at home they are still your dependant........http://www.vba.va.gov/bln/21/Rates/comp01.htm#FNA. Also when I called the 800 number they said as long as she is still in school and living at home she is....guess I am confused.

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JR:

You are mistaken if he fills out the right form his daughter will still be paid why over 18 still going to school. At least that is the way it worked for me and my kids as they were all summer babies and did not graduate till they were 18.

At 70% they will actually pay more than they did when under 18. Social Security will pay up to 13 months more if still in school.

Good Luck

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Do you happen to know what that form is?

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Guess it is me who is confused as both of mine turned 18 a couple of months before HS graduation and the VA sent letters about both which stated that the HS needed to provide a grad date on school letterhead in order for the VA to pay as a dependent up to the grad date, after the grad date month the VA removed them from compensation.

SS worked the same way unless summer school was related to HS.

They both went on with Ch 35 so I did not look into it further.

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I need to find the form to fill out so I can keep my 18 year old on my claim. She is 18 but still going to school and starts college in the fall. Anyone know where the form is?

Thanks

The correct form should be VA form 21-674 and the school does not have to sign it. I Just filled out part I and part III and send it in.

My daughter turned 18 and was still in high school and had a few months (4) before she graduated and my Voc Rehab counselor helped me fill out this form and I was paid until she graduated.

http://www.vba.va.go...-21-674-ARE.pdf

Hope This Helps.

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Please remember that you NEVER have to fill out the correct VA Form # --as long as your Letter to the VA clearly states your Claim, the VA is responsible for sending you the correct FORM!! Just send them a 1-2 paragraph letter, dated, signed, ssn, etc. ~Wings

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Please remember that you NEVER have to fill out the correct VA Form # --as long as your Letter to the VA clearly states your Claim, the VA is responsible for sending you the correct FORM!! Just send them a 1-2 paragraph letter, dated, signed, ssn, etc. ~Wings

But, why?

I mean, why not file the correct form to start with?

Heck, they are ALL on the va.gov website, under the "forms" heading.

Fill the correct one out, send it in, and be done with it. Why contribute to the backlog of claims?

Even the Chap 35 peeps are being overloaded and the "okays" on the educational benefits are running way behind.

But, do what ya want to.

just sayin.................

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§ 3.57 Child.

(a) General. (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (a)(2) and (3) of this section, the term child of the veteran means an unmarried person who is a legitimate child, a child legally adopted before the age of 18 years, a stepchild who acquired that status before the age of 18 years and who is a member of the veteran's household or was a member of the veteran's household at the time of the veteran's death, or an illegitimate child; and(i) Who is under the age of 18 years; or

(ii) Who, before reaching the age of 18 years, became permanently incapable of self-support; or

(iii) Who, after reaching the age of 18 years and until completion of education or training (but not after reaching the age of 23 years) is pursuing a course of instruction at an educational institution approved by the Department of Veterans Affairs. For the purposes of this section and §3.667, the term “educational institution” means a permanent organization that offers courses of instruction to a group of students who meet its enrollment criteria, including schools, colleges, academies, seminaries, technical institutes, and universities. The term also includes home schools that operate in compliance with the compulsory attendance laws of the States in which they are located, whether treated as private schools or home schools under State law. The term “home schools” is limited to courses of instruction for grades kindergarten through 12.

The form is a 21-674b. You child can stay on you award until age 23 as long as they are still in school.

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But, why?

I mean, why not file the correct form to start with?

Heck, they are ALL on the va.gov website, under the "forms" heading.

Fill the correct one out, send it in, and be done with it. Why contribute to the backlog of claims?

Even the Chap 35 peeps are being overloaded and the "okays" on the educational benefits are running way behind.

But, do what ya want to.

just sayin.................

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File a Claim to establish the earliest effectice date!

By all means, find the right VA Form, tell her which one it is, she asked on the 4th of July amd didn't get an answer --that's almost a month's worth of basic rate. ~Wings

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§ 3.57 Child.

(a) General. (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (a)(2) and (3) of this section, the term child of the veteran means an unmarried person who is a legitimate child, a child legally adopted before the age of 18 years, a stepchild who acquired that status before the age of 18 years and who is a member of the veteran's household or was a member of the veteran's household at the time of the veteran's death, or an illegitimate child; and(i) Who is under the age of 18 years; or

(ii) Who, before reaching the age of 18 years, became permanently incapable of self-support; or

(iii) Who, after reaching the age of 18 years and until completion of education or training (but not after reaching the age of 23 years) is pursuing a course of instruction at an educational institution approved by the Department of Veterans Affairs. For the purposes of this section and §3.667, the term “educational institution” means a permanent organization that offers courses of instruction to a group of students who meet its enrollment criteria, including schools, colleges, academies, seminaries, technical institutes, and universities. The term also includes home schools that operate in compliance with the compulsory attendance laws of the States in which they are located, whether treated as private schools or home schools under State law. The term “home schools” is limited to courses of instruction for grades kindergarten through 12.

The form is a 21-674b. You child can stay on you award until age 23 as long as they are still in school.

Thanks Sharon!! ~Wings

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Sharon, on 18 July 2010 - 07:19 PM, said:

§ 3.57 Child.

(a) General. (1) Except as provided in paragraphs (a)(2) and (3) of this section, the term child of the veteran means an unmarried person who is a legitimate child, a child legally adopted before the age of 18 years, a stepchild who acquired that status before the age of 18 years and who is a member of the veteran's household or was a member of the veteran's household at the time of the veteran's death, or an illegitimate child; and(i) Who is under the age of 18 years; or

(ii) Who, before reaching the age of 18 years, became permanently incapable of self-support; or

(iii) Who, after reaching the age of 18 years and until completion of education or training (but not after reaching the age of 23 years) is pursuing a course of instruction at an educational institution approved by the Department of Veterans Affairs. For the purposes of this section and §3.667, the term "educational institution" means a permanent organization that offers courses of instruction to a group of students who meet its enrollment criteria, including schools, colleges, academies, seminaries, technical institutes, and universities. The term also includes home schools that operate in compliance with the compulsory attendance laws of the States in which they are located, whether treated as private schools or home schools under State law. The term "home schools" is limited to courses of instruction for grades kindergarten through 12.

The form is a 21-674b. You child can stay on you award until age 23 as long as they are still in school.

Sharon, here are the two forms, I think the veteran must fill out the VA form 21-674 to get everything set up in the system and then the Veteran can fill out the VA form 21-674b as the school year changes or the semester changes. The Va form 21-674b is just an attendance report and VA must first approve the school even if it is a high school. If I am off/wrong please help me understand.

Thanks

http://www.palomar.e...orms/21-674.pdf

http://www.vba.va.go...21-674b-ARE.pdf

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Also remember that Summer is an authorized break and you still get paid for it. If the child is in college, list the expected graduation date. That way you don't have to it every semester. You don't have to redo the form again uless the child changes schools or graduate early.

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Uhhh, me thinks that we have TWO seperate conversations going on here:

Are we discussing #1. the eligibility of a child under the veteran's "dependents" monthly increase in the veteran's basic disability compensation (the one whereby the VETERAN'S monthly payment is increased due to the existence of a dependent), or are we speaking of #2. the dependent's qualifications under the Chapter 35 Educational Assistance benefit (the one whereby the DEPENDENT(S) receive a monthly payment for their educational expenses)?

IF we are speaking of the Chap 35 benefits, that monthly payment is made directly do the dependent that is enrolled in a recognized program for education AFTER graduation from high school (it can be a college, a tech school, etc.) and it can be for up through the age of 26 (trust me on this one, my son just graduated from his Masters Degree program at the University of Louisiana and he IS 26 and he received his $915 a month while taking a full semester's load, BUT, when during the Summer Semester's when he took, say, only 6 credit hours, they only paid him like 1/2 of the $915.....and, if he took NO clases during the summer, he received $0.00).

So, are we talking about the #1 or the #2?

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Also remember that Summer is an authorized break and you still get paid for it. If the child is in college, list the expected graduation date. That way you don't have to it every semester. You don't have to redo the form again uless the child changes schools or graduate early.

Well, actually, if you are enrolled in a college or university, that college will have someone in the admissions/scholarship/finance department that will keep track of your student's credit hours, attendance, GPA, etc. and this functionary will be the one that will certify attendance to the VA Chap 35 peeps. And, BTW, the student is the one that will receive the monthly checks, not the veteran. And, they won't receive a check for those months that they are not taking classes (no summer pay unless they are taking summer classes).

just sayin................

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Well, actually, if you are enrolled in a college or university, that college will have someone in the admissions/scholarship/finance department that will keep track of your student's credit hours, attendance, GPA, etc. and this functionary will be the one that will certify attendance to the VA Chap 35 peeps. And, BTW, the student is the one that will receive the monthly checks, not the veteran. And, they won't receive a check for those months that they are not taking classes (no summer pay unless they are taking summer classes).

just sayin................

I think we are talking about two separate different situations.

1. The first is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending high school/ college or some type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is not 100% service connected. The form would be VA form 21-674 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and if the dependent child stops attending classes or between semester changes to fill out the VA form 21-647b. The school may or may not complete this form and the veteran is responsible for overpayment. The veteran would receive this entitlement (money).

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

2. The second is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending college or some other type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is 100% P & T service connected. The form would be VA form 22-5490 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and yes the school would complete the certification and the dependent child would receive this entitlement (money). This would be a chapter 35 program.

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

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I think we are talking about two separate different situations.

1. The first is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending high school/ college or some type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is not 100% service connected. The form would be VA form 21-674 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and if the dependent child stops attending classes or between semester changes to fill out the VA form 21-647b. The school may or may not complete this form and the veteran is responsible for overpayment. The veteran would receive this entitlement (money).

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

2. The second is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending college or some other type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is 100% P & T service connected. The form would be VA form 22-5490 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and yes the school would complete the certification and the dependent child would receive this entitlement (money). This would be a chapter 35 program.

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

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OH, GEEEEZ, my head, it goes round and round and my brain....OUCH....it hurts! This is WAY TOO MUCH thinkin'........let the little shits get a job! :rolleyes:

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I think we are talking about two separate different situations.

1. The first is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending high school/ college or some type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is not 100% service connected.

The form would be VA form 21-674 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and if the dependent child stops attending classes or between semester changes to fill out the VA form 21-647b. The school may or may not complete this form and the veteran is responsible for overpayment. The veteran would receive this entitlement (money).

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

2. The second is a veteran that has a dependent child that is 18 or older and attending college or some other type of training that lives at home or not and the veteran is 100% P & T service connected.

The form would be VA form 22-5490 for VA to approve the training of college or other training and yes the school would complete the certification and the dependent child would receive this entitlement (money). This would be a chapter 35 program.

Note: Depending on the type of training VA may or may not pay for semester breaks.

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AWESOME!!! Good Work!!!

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biggrin.gif Salt Lake VA sent me a letter stating that my comp would go down due to my daughter turning 18. It gave directions to send in a school letterhead from the college she is enrolled in in the fall and her expected graduation date. Sent it in as requested got my brown envolope a month later, the increase, not decrease is effective 1 August 10. Nice increase at that.

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I started this topic and I am NOT 100% so the 1st one applies.....Thanks, I have it already in.

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Filing as soon as possible is all about your effective date which equals money in your pocket. You can also call the VA 1-800-827-1000 and file an informal claim with them, they will send you the forms you need, but your effective date will be the day the VA 800 number put in the informal claim. Effective Date is very Important.

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File a Claim to establish the earliest effectice date!

By all means, find the right VA Form, tell her which one it is, she asked on the 4th of July amd didn't get an answer --that's almost a month's worth of basic rate. ~Wings

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Filing as soon as possible is all about your effective date which equals money in your pocket. You can also call the VA 1-800-827-1000 and file an informal claim with them, they will send you the forms you need, but your effective date will be the day the VA 800 number put in the informal claim. Effective Date is very Important.

Thank you Tbird, For re-stating the obvious! The veteran needs only to properly identify himself and state their claim in writing: on a plain piece of paper. The VA is REQUIRED to provide/forward the necessery FORMS. A mailing address is necessary too. You can use a street addy, PO Box, friend's house, domicilary, etc. You file the claim, first to establish the effective date. ~Wings

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I need to find the form to fill out so I can keep my 18 year old on my claim. She is 18 but still going to school and starts college in the fall. Anyone know where the form is?

Thanks

my daughter also turned 18 and is starting college in the fall.. she is going through the financial aide officer at the college..

I did call the VA and they told me which forms to download and other info..

also,

SSDI will continue some payments for the child that is between 18 and 24 (I thin..) as long as there is proof provided to SSDI of the dependant contiuing education..

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File a Claim to establish the earliest effectice date!

By all means, find the right VA Form, tell her which one it is, she asked on the 4th of July amd didn't get an answer --that's almost a month's worth of basic rate. ~Wings

I am going to state the obvious:

WHY didn't YOU tell her? Instead of twisting off on me for not telling her, after all, you were the one that responded to her FIRST and did not tell her.

BTW, the reason that I did NOT respond sooner than this to her enquiry is the simple fact that I've been kinda BUSY, what with trying to help my OTHER veterans that ALSO need help and that have sought ME out to help them.

Sheeeesh, but I'm tired.

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Just for clarification purposes :

Pete992 posted a link to the OP the same day this topic began.

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