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Senate Approves Cola Increase For Disabled Vets


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#1 pete992

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:04 AM

We all know that saying something and doing something are two different things. I could not find the full article even if there is a full article, there may not be a full article and for this to happen will be a miracle but never the less, I will pass it on. If someone can find more information or the full story please post it. I found this on WWW.Veteranstoday.com, it was under the Top 10 Veterans Stories in Today's News and the date is supposed to be 9/23/2010.


Senate Approves COLA Increase For Disabled Vets. CQ (9/23, Lesniewski) reports, "By voice vote, the Senate on Wednesday cleared a bill that would provide" a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA) for disabled veterans. After noting that the bill "would increase the amounts paid to veterans for disability compensation and to their survivors for dependency and indemnity compensation," CQ adds, "The Department of Veterans Affairs estimates that it will provide disability compensation to just over 3 million veterans with service-connected disabilities in the current fiscal year."



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#2 Philip Rogers

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:32 AM

That's nice but I think they have to approve it every yr and then it's tied to the consumer price index(or some other fool thing) and if there is no inflation we don't get it. Needless to say they'll tell us there's no inflation, again, this yr. I'm happy w/what I get right now. As long as I don't get foolish I survive quite comfortably.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 11:43 AM

You know they exclude the price of food and energy from the CPI. They do factor in the price of cell phones, computers, cars and houses. I don't need a cell phone but I need to eat and food prices are going up. I don't think we will get a cola. This really hurts those on SSA, VA, SSI and government pensions.

#4 allan

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 03:28 PM

It was my impression any discussion concerning COLA's on this board has been strictly forbidden.

If it's open again, Veterans COLA's are based on Social Security increases which are frozen. Its obvious Alan Simson's views on having Veterans pay for our economic problems will likely continue until we end these wars.




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Posted 23 September 2010 - 03:35 PM

The linked article is a blog/journal that you have to pay for. *shrug*

cq.com

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 03:45 PM

Here is another source:
http://www.veteranst...ay’s-news-63/

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 04:01 PM

Thats the same source-all they did was copy the blurb from cq.com


Here is another source:
http://www.veteranst...80%99s-news-63/





#8 carlie

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 06:23 PM

It was my impression any discussion concerning COLA's on this board has been strictly forbidden.

If it's open again, Veterans COLA's are based on Social Security increases which are frozen. Its obvious Alan Simson's views on having Veterans pay for our economic problems will likely continue until we end these wars.






Allan,

Discussing the COLA is in no way a strictly forbidden subject here.

What is not appreciated at all is when certain members start posting
their continuous beef's with no COLA for disabled vets and the VA is ripping off disabled vets
we need and deserve the money, another way the VA keeps vets in foreclosure, blah, blah, blah,
just continuance of dribble bashing the VA.

COLA goes strictly by the CPI - VA has no say in whether disabled vets or SSA recipients
receive a COLA or not.

When the CPI hasn't risen there will simply be no COLA.

#9 JR Reihs

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 08:54 PM

This is routine in the Senate, it has to be voted on every year.........the Senate has given their blessing to a COLA, but the COLA is tied to the CPI and the CPI is still in negative territory.

No positive CPI = No COLA, and the politicians get a pass because they did as required but the CPI stopped it.

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Posted 23 September 2010 - 09:03 PM

Sorry Carlie,
I thought I remembered reading that there was not to be any discussion of COLA's.
If thats not so, than Im mistaken. Not looking for an argument with you.
If my reply was considered "continuance of dribble bashing the VA by you, that wasn't my intent.

It really doesn't matter. Theres not likely to be any COLA. The CPI are figures the bean counters like Simpson play with all day long to their advantage. You can bet it's not to our benefit.

My personal opinion is Veterans should recieve an automatic anual increase in their benefit amount regardless of the CPI. Just my opinion and I know the VA can't do anything about it.

"If you put your military personel in harms way, than when they become injuried you need to pay."



#11 Pete53

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:10 AM

When COLA is news it should be discussed. However the routine linking of VA Cola to Social Security COLA is hardly news.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:28 AM

THe Army Times has an article suggesting an increase of 0.1 percent pending passing of the legislation. We shall see.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:40 AM

I know my mind is not right, however, I emailed the BLS last year to find out what products are considers with the CPI for COLA and there were only food products on the information they emailed me.......no kind of electronics or anything else anyone would consider not truly essential.

There are multile CPI formulas.

You know they exclude the price of food and energy from the CPI. They do factor in the price of cell phones, computers, cars and houses. I don't need a cell phone but I need to eat and food prices are going up. I don't think we will get a cola. This really hurts those on SSA, VA, SSI and government pensions.


Edited by yelloownumber5, 24 September 2010 - 06:58 AM.


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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:43 AM

THe Army Times has an article suggesting an increase of 0.1 percent pending passing of the legislation. We shall see.


Something would be better than nothing...

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 07:03 AM

[quote]
Next retiree COLA could be tiny, analysts say

By Rick Maze[/email] - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Mar 16, 2010 20:31:00 EDT
The cost-of-living adjustment for retirees next year could test the idea if something really is better than nothing.After getting no COLA this year in military and federal civilian retired pay, veterans disability compensation and Social Security because of the weak national economy, congressional economists are estimating that the pay adjustment this Dec. 1, which will take effect in January paychecks, will be just 0.1 percent.


http://www.armytimes...e_cola_031610w/

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 07:59 AM

Sorry Carlie,
I thought I remembered reading that there was not to be any discussion of COLA's.
If thats not so, than Im mistaken. Not looking for an argument with you.
If my reply was considered "continuance of dribble bashing the VA by you, that wasn't my intent.

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allan,
No, I wasn't at all referring to you or anyone else in this thread, regarding a
"continuance of dribble bashing the VA".
Check your PM section.

#17 yelloownumber5

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 10:23 AM

This is the CPI for COLA formula and as John said there are somethings on there that we all do not need. I did not remember all this on here, my apologies. I think they just sent me an email with the food portion. I wonder if they have ever thought or considered to do a retired/disabled CPI for COLA since our uses are not the same as active duty personnel/working personnel.

http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpiri2008.pdf



I know my mind is not right, however, I emailed the BLS last year to find out what products are considers with the CPI for COLA and there were only food products on the information they emailed me.......no kind of electronics or anything else anyone would consider not truly essential.

There are multile CPI formulas.


Edited by yelloownumber5, 24 September 2010 - 10:27 AM.


#18 Philip Rogers

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 05:25 PM

Don't cha feel we get enough?????????? I have plenty. Could I spend more - sure! We have shelter, food, water, a vehicle, family, friends, Hadit, etc. What more do we need??? Some of you are sounding to me like some of these CEO's wanting more and more. Look around the world and compare our lives to their's. I'll take mine any day! Sorry but I get sooooo tired of hearing the whinning. Woe is me!!! I get $20+ an hour, 40 hrs a week cuz I can't work. Unfortunately, in my area of the country, $10-$12 an hour is great pay - altho minimum wage is more prevelent. jmo

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:55 PM

Actually PR, you make more. Say you make 54000 per year and after deductions taxes and ect of 24 percent you make 41000.
I am still looking for the lost 25 percent increase proposed a few years ago. I have looked everywhere. It must have been a dream.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 06:57 PM

Thats the same source-all they did was copy the blurb from cq.com


Fine a better source for this issue or leave it off the board. Got it.

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Posted 24 September 2010 - 08:38 PM

I am in my 60's as is my wife and have many friends who are our age. I am grateful for my service connected disability and the Social Security. I look at dear friends who through no fault of their own will have to live on meager incomes of Social Security and nothing else.

Hardly a day goes by that I don't tell my wife how lucky we are. As it stands I have an income that is sufficient to allow me to basically do almost anything that I want to do or at least have a crack at things I know friends and family can't do.

The way I look at it I have a damn good retirement Income and now that I have 10 years my wife is protected with DIC and ChampVA and will be able to elect my Social Security if I go first which is my guess right now.I have a good life and I enjoy it very much. There was a time I made 6 figures, had a nice Company Car and membership at Country Club paid by my Company and I worked every day of the week traveled by myself most of the time lived in nice hotels and ate at good restaurants.And if I had kept that job I would be dead years ago.

I cannot live very well when there is pressure. The worse pressure I have now is when I get called to fix Mrs Pete's remote control cause her guide won't come up. I also make the coffee everyday.

So PR I know what you are saying. When I had to survive on my savings and almost lost my house I dreamed of just an income of half of what I get from the US Gubermint.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 10:41 AM

Don't cha feel we get enough?????????? I have plenty. Could I spend more - sure! We have shelter, food, water, a vehicle, family, friends, Hadit, etc. What more do we need??? Some of you are sounding to me like some of these CEO's wanting more and more. Look around the world and compare our lives to their's. I'll take mine any day! Sorry but I get sooooo tired of hearing the whinning. Woe is me!!! I get $20+ an hour, 40 hrs a week cuz I can't work. Unfortunately, in my area of the country, $10-$12 an hour is great pay - altho minimum wage is more prevelent. jmo

pr



Unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. I (from the sound if it) pay a lot more to live where I do than you do. Not because I live a fancy lifestyle, but because I happen to have grown up in the highest taxed county in the US (Monroe County NY, when all taxes like school, property, sales, etc are taken into account). If the VA used a system like the military where you received more or less based on the coast of living in your area I bet people would flip out that someone in L.A. or D.C. got double what they did. And unfortunately moving to a low tax state is not an option.
Remember, they made a contract with you when you enlisted just like you did with them. We have nothing whatsoever to be ashamed of for wanting compensation for giving up our time and health. Comparing it to some CEO getting cashed in is a pretty big slap in the face to a guy who has no legs or a woman who spent 100's of hours dealing with blown up 18 year olds. Would you fight your insurance company for a fair replacement value if they lowballed you on how much you got after your car was totalled? You bet you sweet bippie you would. This is no different in my mind. Maybe my youth and health are worth more to me than you and that is just fine. To each their own.

I know this is off topic and I apologize and I guess this should be a locked topic.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 07:59 PM

pr,
I couldn't agree with you more IF the disabled party is being PROPERLY compensated for their disabilities.
Even I would have to admit trying to make ends meet on 20 or 30 percent is a no go - while the claimant maybe waiting
many years on their claim issues.

I'm 60 percent VA plus SSD and I am making it, I really can't judge anyone else.

BUT

You are correct - for any and all that are receiving 100 percent from VA
and some of the wonderful benefits for P&T, life should not be too hard.
I have a buddy that was recently granted 100 percent with P&T.
Just getting the P&T benefit in FL. has saved them well over $200.00
per month on property taxes alone.


I think many of us have just raised our standards of living far too high.

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Posted 25 September 2010 - 08:15 PM

Consider a spouse trying to live on just SSA and DIC. It is not that much. With lack of pensions these days people will be going into retirement with small money.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 05:04 AM

Yup, I was talking about 100%ers and TDIUers. I believe during those good yrs we raised our standards of living too high and it was only because we could make the payments. Don't worry yours is coming!

pr


pr,
I couldn't agree with you more IF the disabled party is being PROPERLY compensated for their disabilities.
Even I would have to admit trying to make ends meet on 20 or 30 percent is a no go - while the claimant maybe waiting
many years on their claim issues.

I'm 60 percent VA plus SSD and I am making it, I really can't judge anyone else.

BUT

You are correct - for any and all that are receiving 100 percent from VA
and some of the wonderful benefits for P&T, life should not be too hard.
I have a buddy that was recently granted 100 percent with P&T.
Just getting the P&T benefit in FL. has saved them well over $200.00
per month on property taxes alone.


I think many of us have just raised our standards of living far too high.



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Posted 26 September 2010 - 05:15 AM

I don't know, John, $2k+, a month, ain't that bad, especially if the mortgage is paid off. That's figuring $1400 for DIC and another $750 in SS. jmo

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Consider a spouse trying to live on just SSA and DIC. It is not that much. With lack of pensions these days people will be going into retirement with small money.



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Posted 26 September 2010 - 07:51 AM

I always believe it after I receive it.

Putting your faith in any government entity is not a good idea.

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Posted 26 September 2010 - 08:42 AM

"Don't cha feel we get enough?????????? I have plenty. Could I spend more - sure! We have shelter, food, water, a vehicle, family, friends, Hadit, etc. What more do we need??? Some of you are sounding to me like some of these CEO's wanting more and more. "


Philip,
For some reason I'm getting the impression vets are getting far more than we should according to you. If it were up to you, how much should 100% veterans monthly benefit amount be rolled back to? Say maybe $500 pr month maximum? Or maybe cut out SSDI and VA benefits? Or stop VA, SSDI and military retirement?
How much of your benefits would you be willing to give up since you live so high off the hog?

The reason some vets ask for COLA increases is they don't receive what you get. And maybe the cost of that hot water tank, food, car repairs and the cost of paying for school supplies for their children while being disabled, just pushed them over the edge. The majority of disabled vets are not 100%. Many are struggling.


Shouldn’t it matter to those who have, that there are those who don’t? Is it all about I got mine, so you shouldn’t be concerned about getting more for your family?

Gas is such a small part of what we consume. I can see every day items in the stores increase almost weekly. The cost of food, medicine, home repairs, etc all increase and none of it is counted.

Many, many of our disabled veterans, disabled and senior citizens need and look to that $20 monthly COLA to get them another few meals when they get a blow out and have to spend $75 bucks for a new tire they really can't afford.

A few bucks for those in our society that have earned it and need it the most shouldn't be made to feel like they don't deserve the right to ask for it.

Vets that are completely disabled fight for yrs just to receive 30%. Then spend yrs more at CAVC fighting to get TDIU or their 100%.
Yes you may be very well off, that doesn't mean the rest of us are.



Sounding like CEO's wanting more and more?



Oh please. How can you compare the poverty level of the majority of disabled veterans to CEO’s that get multimillion dollar bonuses for ruining corporations?

We use the VA for health care. How many of those CEO’s do you think would use VA for their health care?



Whether we get COLA’s or not and whether some think we deserve it or not, many are financially in need of it during these tough economic times we are having.

If your 100%, get SSDI, Military retirement, own everything, invested in gold, have a couple of extra pensions, children are grown up or you don't have any and everything is perfect in your life than yes I guess YOU wouldn't need the COLA.
If you just got back from Iraq, are 100%, lost your home and your wife/husband left you with 4 kids to raise while you were gone. Than maybe you might not be as well off.

My point is simply because you can live one way, doesn't mean everyones life is the same.




#29 Wings

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 02:42 PM

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I agree with Allan. ~Wings

PS I need a COLA!

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 03:48 PM

Is this discussion at all related to HR 4667 that passed the Senate and House Unanimously this week and is waiting for POTUS signature? From what I understand it is not a COLA but a SC rate table increase...a significant one at that

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 04:00 PM

Again, This discussion is the same old discussion for a COLA. Not a Rate increase.
Colas are tied in with Social Security each and every year and is based on the CPI which by the way is in the tank.
We will get absolutely zero. Zilch, Zippo. NAGDT.

J

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 04:01 PM

VA Watchdog just posted some rumor control about this which should put the whole thing to bed. Thank T-bird for keeping new posts routed to us!

http://www.vawatchdo.../nf092810-2.htm

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 05:26 PM

I normally don't respond to topics but I felt compeled to respond to this topic.

I agree with Alan, I notice some of the vets who are getting 100% on this site feel like the vets who are getting lower amounts don't need an increase. By the same token when I read the replies of some of the vets who are getting lower amounts and because of their disability or disabilities cannot and does not allow them to get 100%; begrudge the ones who are trying to get 100% because of their disability or disabilities which allows them to apply for 100%.

As I stated above this is just some of the vets and not all of the vets and is just my observation.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 05:44 PM

This subject is getting pretty worn out.

Some of us spend way too much on our health care because the VA will not.

If you are living high on 100% I'm happy for you.
I'm 100% and I enjoy much less actual income from it than many others.
The idea of getting even less is abhorrent.

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Posted 28 September 2010 - 08:27 PM

THis topic is now closed.




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