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#1 judymb711

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

Hi everyone. I am the daughter of a deceased WWI vet. I have been trying for 30 years to obtain the Purple Heart for injuries he sustained as a POW. I have been continually turned down because I cannot produce a doctors statement of injuries. Well, I don't think he was treated by a Nazi doctor. I have produced everything else, including witness statements, but no luck, in fact they told me not to bother to reapply. I thought I remembered reading that they had changed the criteria for awarding the medal to veterans with PTSD just this September, but I cannot find a definitive answer after 3 days of searching. I have a paper that states he was declared 30% disabled due to a "nervous condition" and I have a psychiatrist report that describes him post-war as being nervous, pacing, cannot be in a confined space, cannot ride in a car without driving himself, etc. Can anyone tell me if they did change the criteria to include PTSD for the Purple Heart or not?

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:15 PM

There are special rules for POW's. You should do some research on that. I don't think they give PH's for non-combat injuries. It is getting more and more confusing since they give PH's for TBI I believe.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:29 PM

No Purple Heart for PTSD, not going to happen and I don't know why it keeps coming up. BTW I have PTSD & would never think about a Purple Heart for PTSD. TBI is the latest thing I remember for Purple Heart.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 12:49 PM

Have you checked records similar to a DD-214? A DAV rep pointed out years ago that my deceased husband from Vietnam era had medals awarded, but not received. Could he have had awards before being a POW? I am guessing that you might mean WWII instead of WWI.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 02:41 PM

Judymb

Welcome to Hadit and thank you for helping a Veteran. I do believe that our government does have spcial things for POW's.

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 03:19 PM

the father may very well be a WW1 veteran my own father completed his Army service before WW1 even started he went into Mexico with Gen Pershing after Pancho Villa I have a younger brother also who was born in 1958 my oldest half brother was born in 1922 and is deceased my dad died in 1972 my grand father was in the Calif 4th Volunteers during the Civil War he did not get married until 1890 and then had 6 kids by 1900

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

My Great Grand Father was one of many who fought on June 25, 1876 against the 7th Cavalry commanded by George Armstrong Custer.

Just saying... :wink:

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 05:59 PM

Oh lordy, yes it should have read WWII and I've been trying to procure the Purple Heart for him for 40 years not 30. I did get the POW medal. I understand the controversy about the Purple Heart and PTSD. I think I can prove PTSD and I keep thinking that I read just recently where they had also added PTSD I will take evandc's word for it because that is the straightest answer I have gotten .But again, they turn me down every time because I can't produce proof that he was examined. The Purple Heart criteria specifically recognizes an injury from bail-out, as which was the case with my father. I have a statement from his navigator who witnessed it. But I'm certain he wasn't examined by a doctor at the scene when the Home Guard picked him up and turned him over to the Nazi's, or by a Nazi doctor at the stalag. I think it ridiculous to keep telling me I have to produce a medical record when there is no possible way there would be one. Here is the thing about the special rules for POWs. If they were abused by their captors, they are eligible and I could probably get by with a witness statement. I do know that he was beaten during initial interrogation, but the witness statement I have is not for that, it is for the bail-out injury. Sorry about the WWI thing. I guess I've been researching too long!

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 07:24 PM

Hi everyone. I am the daughter of a deceased WWI vet.
I have been trying for 30 years to obtain the Purple Heart for injuries he sustained as a POW.
I have been continually turned down because I cannot produce a doctors statement of injuries.
Well, I don't think he was treated by a Nazi doctor. I have produced everything else, including witness statements, but no luck,
in fact they told me not to bother to reapply.
I thought I remembered reading that they had changed the criteria for awarding the medal to veterans with PTSD just this September,
but I cannot find a definitive answer after 3 days of searching.
I have a paper that states he was declared 30% disabled due to a "nervous condition" and I have a psychiatrist report
that describes him post-war as being nervous, pacing, cannot be in a confined space, cannot ride in a car without driving himself, etc.
Can anyone tell me if they did change the criteria to include PTSD for the Purple Heart or not?




judy - the way I am understanding your post above, is that you are trying to get a purple heart awarded to
you dad posthumously - due to injuries he received while being a POW - is this correct ?

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 10:36 PM

Here's a link from the DAV website regarding the Army's change of policy for awarding a Purple Heart for TBI (concussive injury). Not sure why one branch of the service should be any different than others. A change in policy like this (if enacted) should be across the board, not just for army vets...Can you tell I was prior Marine Corps?!:biggrin:

http://www.dav.org/n...cle.aspx?ID=461

Also...Check out the Military Order of the Purple Heart's website...all requirements are STRICTLY ENFORCED.

http://www.purplehea...rg/Default.aspx

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:21 PM

A change in policy like this (if enacted) should be across the board, not just for army vets...
Can you tell I was prior Marine Corps?!:biggrin:

LC


LC,
Poor guy - - had to be a jarhead.


Just that alone . . .


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should warrant SC for major depression : -)

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 11:33 PM

LC,
Poor guy - - had to be a jarhead.


Just that alone . . .


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should warrant SC for major depression : -)


Carlie,
You might have something there! Ha-ha-ha...yuk, yuk, yuk :smile:
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Posted 13 November 2011 - 09:49 AM

judy - the way I am understanding your post above, is that you are trying to get a purple heart awarded to
you dad posthumously - due to injuries he received while being a POW - is this correct ?


He died at the age of 49 in 1970. I have been trying to get the medal posthumously for him since then. I knew of injuries during capture and while a POW, but I don't have a witness statement to those. I was told about it when I met his co-pilot several years ago and was not smart enough to have him write it down for me. However, he was injured during the parachute landing and I do have an eye-witness account from his navigator. But they deny the medal because I do not have a statement that he was medically treated. I think common sense would tell anyone that he wasn't treated and if he was, there wouldn't be any record. Now if he was injured while a POW, the rules say I would only need an eye-witness statement. He was immediately captured when he was cut out of a tree. To me, I think this should all be taken under consideration, considering injuries upon bail-out are considered eligible and injuries while a POW are eligible with an eye-witness statement and no medical statement. I feel they are leaving me in the space between the time he was injured when he hit the tree and the time they cut him down, which was minutes.

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 10:23 AM


should warrant SC for major depression : -)
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Carlie, is that Service Connected? They denied that also.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 06:41 AM

Judy, Are you sure you have all of his military records? His DD214 discharge papers too? When hurt is there any indication or written anywhere where he was bleeding? Parachuted and landed in a tree, you write, did he injure any part of his body that resulted in a bloody wound? Did a medic person ever treat him? Re request his records from the St Louis address, it was Page Ave but they just built a new one, and I haven't got the address here with me now...am about 145 miles from home. Perhaps another could give you the new address. Also you can request his medals from another address too. Keep searching, but written documents, especially from back then, would most likely be your best bet. They did not then nor now give Purple Hearts for PTSD, Shell Shock, Soldiers Heart, they called it many things but essentially refer to mental/psychological traumas/injuries, disabilities.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 08:39 AM

Judy, Are you sure you have all of his military records? His DD214 discharge papers too? When hurt is there any indication or written anywhere where he was bleeding? Parachuted and landed in a tree, you write, did he injure any part of his body that resulted in a bloody wound? Did a medic person ever treat him? Re request his records from the St Louis address, it was Page Ave but they just built a new one, and I haven't got the address here with me now...am about 145 miles from home. Perhaps another could give you the new address. Also you can request his medals from another address too. Keep searching, but written documents, especially from back then, would most likely be your best bet. They did not then nor now give Purple Hearts for PTSD, Shell Shock, Soldiers Heart, they called it many things but essentially refer to mental/psychological traumas/injuries, disabilities.


halos2, I have every record there is. I have his medical records before he went overseas,, and I have a psychiatrist report from when he returned because his employer made him go to VA because he was nervous and pacing all the time. Those papers say that he had never been to a physician since he had been repatriated. My eye-witness statement says he suffered a blow to the head and injured his shoulders when his parachute hit a tree. You don't have to have bleed to receive the Purple Heart, and an injury is an injury as long as it is due to the enemy no matter how serious it is. There were no medical personnel in the field full of the enemy...this is the point I try to make clear when I apply. The recipient is supposed to have been treated by medical personnel at the scene. Common sense tells you if you land in a field in enemy territory, and they are waiting there to take you prisoner, the Red Cross isn't going ot have a first aid station set up for you to get examined for your injuries. It's so upsetting...he suffered that injury, he was hit in the back with a shovel by the Home Guard, he was beaten when interrogated, he was made to march from one stalag to another in sub-zero temperatures, and he was almost starved to death, came home with a "nervous condition" for which they deemed him 30% disabled, and then he dies a young man at the age of 49. He really lost his life as it was once he was taken prisoner. I just can't believe they deny him the Purple Heart for all he went through, especially when I can get so close to the hard proof...but cannot produce a medical statement because no Nazi captor happened to give him medical assistance and then make a record of it and send it back with him. Sorry to sound so frustrated but I am, and as I said, this is something I have been working on for 40 years.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 10:22 AM

Judy,

I'm sure your Congressperson and/or Senator would love to hear your story. I believe that is where you need to take it, and I would think the head and shoulder injury would be enough. JMHO Hope you are from Kentucky or Texas :biggrin:.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 12:46 PM

Judy,

I'm sure your Congressperson and/or Senator would love to hear your story. I believe that is where you need to take it, and I would think the head and shoulder injury would be enough. JMHO Hope you are from Kentucky or Texas :biggrin:.

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Papa, I am from Kentucky. I have had 2 congressmen work on my behalf. No go. I am reapplying, and how I am going about it this time is to take the rule that a prisoner of war injured during capture is eligible without a medical statement...the statement of a cellmate is all that is needed in that instance. Since he was captured immediately after his parachute landed, I think that you could say his injury happened during capture. Injury during a parachute landing is specifically addressed in the rules of eligibility and I have the eyewitness statement . I also remind them that the rules also state "Commanders must also take into consideration the circumstances surrounding the injury." We will see. I don't think I can take another denial. I promised my mother I would get this, and she died in 2009, and I am losing my eyesight and I want to see them pin that medal on his tunic. I am applying to HRC this time, hoping they might use more common sense.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 04:43 PM

If your own government does it to you like Agent Orange, or friendly fire in a war zone you get no medals. You don't even get an apology. If you are lucky you get compensation.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 12:34 AM

From Harlan County, but live in San Antonio, Texas. If, these two Congress people would not help, I hope they are no longer in office. I would check with your two Senators. Do not give up. Have you requested or researched the National Archives web-site?

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Papa, I am from Kentucky. I have had 2 congressmen work on my behalf. No go. I am reapplying, and how I am going about it this time is to take the rule that a prisoner of war injured during capture is eligible without a medical statement...the statement of a cellmate is all that is needed in that instance. Since he was captured immediately after his parachute landed, I think that you could say his injury happened during capture. Injury during a parachute landing is specifically addressed in the rules of eligibility and I have the eyewitness statement . I also remind them that the rules also state "Commanders must also take into consideration the circumstances surrounding the injury." We will see. I don't think I can take another denial. I promised my mother I would get this, and she died in 2009, and I am losing my eyesight and I want to see them pin that medal on his tunic. I am applying to HRC this time, hoping they might use more common sense.



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Posted 15 November 2011 - 08:20 AM

From Harlan County, but live in San Antonio, Texas. If, these two Congress people would not help, I hope they are no longer in office. I would check with your two Senators. Do not give up. Have you requested or researched the National Archives web-site?

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Harlan County. Do you watch "Justified"?
The Purple Heart is the only medal that cannot be recommended, eligibility (meeting all the criteria) is the only thing that can do it. I have gotten everything from the National Archives. I have gotten everything there is to get. I even have the microfishe from the German records.

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 09:48 AM

Yes, I watch Justified, good show.

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Harlan County. Do you watch "Justified"?
The Purple Heart is the only medal that cannot be recommended, eligibility (meeting all the criteria) is the only thing that can do it. I have gotten everything from the National Archives. I have gotten everything there is to get. I even have the microfishe from the German records.






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