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#1 Capt.Contaminate

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 12:21 AM

Hello all Members of Team Hadit.com

I have an important team work project for all HADIT MEMBERS. HADIT IS GOING TO TRY AND STORE ALL KNOWN SPRAYING RECORDS anywhere they showed up and "We" thats "us"are going to try and archive all information here. Actually there is a lot already stored here in the Archives of Hadit. However it will be free and no more FOIAs to our members to use the chemical library that we will have and those here applying for claims related to chemical exposures.

This one will require all of to find the spraying records for not just AGENT ORANGE but all other chemcial thruout the planet EARTH.

Our parameters are set forth and consist of time , date, place and amount sprayed .

So I have post the DOD required reports form numbers so now we have to get them with data filled out.

Each one of us has pretty much said at one time or another , "we heard it was sprayed "......... or "it was stored here"....or we heard it was used there. Sorry this one is not talk or heresay but the real deal. I think we all have Hadit with trying get those records from the government and then after years of trying we fail.

WE NEED THOSE REPORTS from the bases I listed for this library to grow. The Herbicide Training Seminar number with the break down of the bases is a start. So now we need these reports from ALL areas to get this library going. Someone had to post the Installation Assessment Report for Gerstle River Test Site and the Materials Application Training Seminar. If we can get a few more people to post these other reports then it will be stored in our Archives.

Ok, now lets start our test reports and start our very own MASSIVE LIBRARY which will be used by all Veterans and will be archived here at HADIT. To win our claims and those of others. Once it gets big enough then we could possible be a "friendly" repository of sprayed and applied Herbicides and chemicals reports compiled data which can then be used by ALL veterans , service organizations and lawyers to tap into.


So I will go first listing the :

DA FORM 2785 or 2785-R

DD 1532


Evidencually there will be websites we will have onboard to divide up the sites. It will not be easy but lets see what happens and our library should grow and be a welcomed site to all veterans and their family trying to find records on spraying and chemical exposure sites with the DOD forms to back it up.




http://www.gulfwarve...ely/greely.html The Fort Greely Installation and Accssment Report for Oct 25, 1998 of the

Gerstle River Test Sight. Open this site and you will see the acutal gallons sprayed and the relationship of the spraying records to gallons applied to the site location listed.



This report shows the correlation to the chemical used and list them even listing the same form numbers. USING THE REPORTS DD 1532 and the other one is the DA FORM 2785 or 2785-R.

These reports are for any site and worldwide...... So now Hadit detectives , get our own library to win those claims.


THANK YOU T BIRD FOR STARTING OUR ARCHIVES HERE AT HADIT A LONG TIME AGO.......NEVER GIVE UP. God BLess, C.C

Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 21 January 2012 - 11:52 AM.


#2 boomer2

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 06:22 AM

Here's a link to 59 bases with contamination and links to each base that shows what type of contamination it has.


http://www.gmasw.com/bases.xps

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 03:41 PM

Hello Boomer,,,,,,What a great find.... this is yet more evidence for our Library Archive. Thanks again for your efforts , there is another site rite here to look at folks. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 20 January 2012 - 05:05 PM.


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Posted 20 January 2012 - 04:10 PM

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James Scripps was not exposed to Agent Orange in Vietnam, he sprayed it while working at Fort Gordon, Georgia back in 1967 thru 1969 while he was on active duty. Until the Board of Veteran Appeals heard his case, no veteran has ever been awarded a service connection for exposure to this dangerous dioxin while in the US only. there is obviously the case of the Vietnam veterans where any veteran who stepped foot in Vietnam is granted presumptive exposure and their claims are granted for chloracne, prostate cancer and Diabetes type 2, and some have had cardiac problems granted as secondary to the Diabetes.


But a few weeks ago the Secretary of the VA, General Eric Shinseki used his power as the VA Secretary to grant ischemic heart disease and 2 other conditions as presumptive medical conditions.


On a veteran board known as

Hadit.com

where I have been a member since October 2002 James Scripps posted this notice at 1230 am this morning, excited to say the least" . . .




http://www.dailykos....on-by-a-veteran

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 05:02 PM

Hello Carlie,,,,, I remember when James won his claim. It was really something and his story of how it all unfolded to fall into place to win under the direct issue was almost like a mystery novel in itself.

Now that we have irrefutable evidence with the DOD list of Agent Orange bases and the Training seminar posted with the breakdown of locations in the United States and in Alaska we should see more and more claims granted as evidence now is more readily available and the claims are meeting the requirements to award a claim. It is just getting too hard for the VA to defend when the Scientific and the Medical Evidence are just too overpowering . Its a shame though that so many decades have passed and countless Veterans also who were not able to get their hands on this evidence.

Carlie, can you remember the people that still ask all the time ,,,,,,oh you were exposed to Agent Orange.......when were you in Vietnam? I hear it all the time. The government sure pulled the wool over the publics eyes for many years but now its starting to fall on the veterans side,,,,,,,just too little, too late.

I think I remember when you also hosted a show with our own Thailand Veteran and it was not too long ago that Kurt Preissman won his Thailand award thru just pure tenacity on his part. The more these sites become tested positive for Agent Orange and the Medical opinions are moving favorablely toward the Veteran then the more the Agent Orange site list will grow.

If we look at the list now, it is astounding just at the number of places in the United States that have Agent Orange on them. The public just does not know or have a clue.

I know that we as a group are going to continue to find more and more evidence of this killer chemical and more places to uncover.

Thanks again Carlie , Happy Anniversary. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 11:08 AM

Hello all,

jbasser sent this to me so I am posting it for the board and to be part of the archives. I have not seen this one either.



http://www.cwwg.org/EJ.HTML




Here is one more site to add....... Thanks John....



Chemical exposures are real and even more............deadly .
NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 22 January 2012 - 11:21 AM.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 12:03 PM

Found another site that shows dates used, place, chemical discription. these are outside of Viet Nam.



http://www.ffrd.org/...therAOSites.pdf

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 02:55 PM

http://media.graytvi...cember 2006.pdf

Another for the record books! Mike

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Posted 22 January 2012 - 03:59 PM

Hello Mike and Boomer,

Thank you for your imput and these sites.

Alvin Young's work is not a stranger to this site and his studies and reports have been posted here in the past and have helped to add to the growing list of sites. As more and more sites are added and updated we will hopefully see more Vets that can use this to their claims. Unfortunately the VA wants documented exposure because of direct exposure claimants. This can be used as casual because the VA has already admitted to casual exposures may be harmful to a Vet. Yet they like to use this wording to deny , but when appealed with proper medical nexus , we see a number of these are ruled against in appeals process. Thank you both for helping to keep this going and adding to the archives here. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 22 January 2012 - 04:00 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 08:02 PM

Although a "feet on ground" Navy Vietnam veteran, I have every reason to believe that my A/O(Dioxin) exposure, along with thousands of other far east navy veterans, began before we ever left the US for duty overseas.
As part of the preparation for going on active duty in the far east for shipboard duty, the majority of navy junior enlisted personnel were sent to a "fire fighting school" for refresher training.
The Navy base at Treasure Island CA. was just one of several bases used for processing sailors for overseas duty. The EPA records show this base as a "Cleaned Up" "Super Fund" site, with Dioxin contamination of the fire fighting school. The Dioxin was evidently a contaminant of the various flammable liquids used to fuel fires and generate smoke for the training. As a result, a great number of navy veterans serving anywhere in the far east were likely exposed to Dioxin, even if they never went anywhere near Vietnam or other locations where A/O was used.
(Excuse any spelling errors, the checker is on the fritz again. This started with Firefox 9.01 and the recent website updates.)

Edited by Chuck75, 03 March 2012 - 10:12 PM.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 09:28 PM

Hello Chuck,

You bring up a great point. Its like I said in an earlier post. Its all up to what side of the fence you are on. The VA does not want to take the severity of the veterans health. Though this chemical exposure issue to be archived is for ALL chemicals, we know that a great number of veterans and their families are Vietnam Era so we deal mostly with Agent Orange sites. However it is a tremendous problem when you have to literally prove you were exposed when the chemical was there. James Cripps and Kurt Priessman won their awards outside of Vietnam and they have the diseases to prove it but many of you here do not know the hard evidence they had to come up with to bring the 38 CFR 3.102 Benefit of a Doubt Rule into play. I personally believe that this law is highly abused by the BVA and the courts and it is more than the equal equipoise and 50/50 scale. The VA does not care about the Vets and the way the regs are written puts up huge task for the Veterans and their families.

If we look at our Hadit members and the battles we have faced we will see that nothing is easy with the VA. I personally have becomed very challenged in my battle and I really cannot do what I want to do because of my lawyers request. My personal goal is to help every Veteran I can and to be as big a problem to the VA as possible. That is why posting all the contaminated sites we can will hopefully help our Veterans and one day it may open the door for the next group. Please remember that the Agent Orange of the 1960's and the 1970's is the "Gulf War Syndrome" of this decade and its Vets.

This group of Gulf War Vets and Afganistan Vets will face their own Giants with Chemical exposures and their fights are going to be monumental. This is why the fight has to start now and with all of us trying to pitch in. Thanks again for all of your input and efforts......... It is for all of our Veterans and their families. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 09:07 AM

email from Charles Kelley :

EPA Release Dioxin Information

Hi to all,

As most of you Vietnam Veterans and Widows already know and quite frankly thanks to our less than truthful media/government our general population has been kept in the dark like a mushroom, and fed you know what, does not know the issues regarding Dioxins and like compounds that they and their offspring including embryonic also are exposed.

While these issues have been known since the 1940’s there has been much interference in the facts not only from the trillion dollar chemical industry, our own government itself, and paid for "selling of scientific souls" with good science creating bad science.

Once again there is pressure from both the chemical industry and of course our government on the fledgling Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) release of characterization and issues related to Dioxin Exposures in both cancers and non-cancer health issues.

Yes, we know in the past the EPA has been part of this Dioxin stalling for money at the highest levels. Primarily because the government did not want to admit liability for the Vietnam Era Veterans (all nations) to include all cancers and many non-cancer medical issues. But it seems we just might have someone with integrity in charge now.

Just like with the EPA release of the trichloroethylene issues with cancers and non-cancer issues that was recently released; even with government pressure not to release with the trichloroethylene tainted water at the military bases issues at hand and in the news. Kudos to them for releasing the damming information and the scientific facts; not our governments campaign dollar version of the facts.

Please go to the link below and sign the petition for EPA to release what they know and have on hand based on science not politics.

http://salsa.democra...action_KEY=9218

Now you might say well they will just low ball the data and facts and you could be correct. However, at least if it is released and published we have something to address and fight.

Trust me; it is hard to address the facts when the facts are locked up by the chemical companies and our own government.

No different from trying to fight the IOM process when you have no idea what those processes are or at what level of certainty they demand outside the so-called law. You can also bet that if EPA releases this data that the paid for IOM in their role as good science creating bad science will be in there trying to dispel any information; as well as the Center for Disease Control. You can rest assured that even if EPA releases what they now have and accumulated in science will be challenged by the other agencies on behalf of their benefactors.

I am as sure as I can be, that what EPA is finally going to release is what was found in the 1992-1994 reassessment by one of our stalwart scientists with impeccable scientific integrity which concluded many issues that should be on our infamous VA list and are presently not; to include many issues outside of a few hand picked cancers.

Again please go to the link and sign the petition.

Lets get an official starting data point once and for all that we can address.

Thanks,

Kelley


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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:16 AM

Hello Berta,,,,,,Thank you dear for the wonderful link from Charles. I am so thankful he finally won his AO award , even though he nearly died from it. He never gives up and moves ahead. I have signed this petition and hope everyone else will also. We need the bases recognized. The ones we have listed and others. Maybe this will be the year.

Kelly , God Bless, you and thanks for always helping out veterans with the Dioxin battle. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 23 January 2012 - 10:37 AM

I'd agree with anyone that posting a list of contaminated sites and the types of contamination can be quite useful. When I started researching contaminated sites several years ago, the "superfund" site listings were more detailed than they seem to be today. It's as if once a superfund site had some sort of major remedial action completed, the government hopes it will quietly go away, along with claims, be they VA or otherwise, and quietly removes information from websites and even closes them down. Another tactic seems to be to move the data to locations other than those referred to by other related references in EPA and DOD documents. This is also of concern to me, since I spent a couple of decades working at various bases under contracts. The majority of those bases are or were "superfund" sites.


Hello Chuck,

You bring up a great point. Its like I said in an earlier post. Its all up to what side of the fence you are on. The VA does not want to take the severity of the veterans health. Though this chemical exposure issue to be archived is for ALL chemicals, we know that a great number of veterans and their families are Vietnam Era so we deal mostly with Agent Orange sites. However it is a tremendous problem when you have to literally prove you were exposed when the chemical was there. James Cripps and Kurt Priessman won their awards outside of Vietnam and they have the diseases to prove it but many of you here do not know the hard evidence they had to come up with to bring the 38 CFR 3.102 Benefit of a Doubt Rule into play. I personally believe that this law is highly abused by the BVA and the courts and it is more than the equal equipoise and 50/50 scale. The VA does not care about the Vets and the way the regs are written puts up huge task for the Veterans and their families.

If we look at our Hadit members and the battles we have faced we will see that nothing is easy with the VA. I personally have becomed very challenged in my battle and I really cannot do what I want to do because of my lawyers request. My personal goal is to help every Veteran I can and to be as big a problem to the VA as possible. That is why posting all the contaminated sites we can will hopefully help our Veterans and one day it may open the door for the next group. Please remember that the Agent Orange of the 1960's and the 1970's is the "Gulf War Syndrome" of this decade and its Vets.

This group of Gulf War Vets and Afganistan Vets will face their own Giants with Chemical exposures and their fights are going to be monumental. This is why the fight has to start now and with all of us trying to pitch in. Thanks again for all of your input and efforts......... It is for all of our Veterans and their families. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.



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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:56 PM

http://www.mvsoa.us/.../files/aoov.pdf

More of the same, but different from the other!One never knows if there is a piece to the puzzle hidden in these files!

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:09 PM

Hello, I posted this in Dec. 09, many new since then. hope it is helpful!!! It is copied from chicago tribune online.


http://www.chicagotr...959438.htmlpage

I have just went to this site and it is still active.

Later Dave

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 06:41 PM

Hello, Bigred and Dave,,,, thank you for your additions. The list is growing and now archived. NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 09:06 PM

Part of the problem with using that list of sites outside of Vietnam is that it doesn't include all of the sites where herbicides were used like the perimeters of the air bases and Army camps in Thailand let the VA will use that list to deny a claim. Yes I know that in May of 2010 the VA acknowledged that herbicides were used on the perimeters of the air bases and Army camps. I have claims and appeals that have been pending since October and November of 2009 and I'm still at the RO level.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:20 AM

Hello Computer tech. It is who gets the information is who wins. If the VA and DOD say we did not use it but a state environmental agency says oh yes they did . Then your evidence must be supplied and listed. This means a BRAC or Corps of Engineers report or for that matter any can prove monitored an remedeiation, did happed. Just hang in there ...NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless,C.C.

We expect a fight from them at first but not after the remediations statts are going to come in. Ok ....now we have reports from the agencies. Are we having fun yet. NEVER GIVE UP , God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 14 February 2012 - 09:17 PM

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 11:50 AM

Dang I was stationed at one of the superfund bases.
What does that mean?
Could my crohns disease be from that?

wow and thanks

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Posted 15 February 2012 - 02:06 PM

Hello Seasidedaisy....

You better believe it ...... that was one of my ratings too.... though they defined it as Collagenous colitus , inflammatory bowel disease, gastroenteritis. I would try and find what chemicals you have been exposed to. Then see what you doctor says and the steps of the IMO. Please remember that the list of bowel diseases are closely related to Lung diseases in many cases. That is where I am at present. Also what your immune system is doing and infections and swelling of joints which are also linked to it. I have learned alot on what causes these diseases but all in all you know how severe the disease you have is.

If you decide to pursue this just make sure that you NEVER GIVE UP. God Bless, C.C.

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Posted 16 February 2012 - 10:19 AM

This is another website for Dioxin , COC watchdogs....


www.chej.org





NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C.

Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 16 February 2012 - 10:24 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2012 - 02:18 PM

I wanted to continue with more studies on Agent Orange , this one from the EPA . Please read and see if anything can be used for our AO Vets EVERYWHERE. NEVER GIVE UP . God Bless, C.C.

Attached Files


Edited by Capt.Contaminate, 18 February 2012 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 04:36 PM

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:32 PM

I was on the Camp Lejeune topic over the claims issues; and I posted information regarding how many domestic bases were on the EPA's superfund site. My father did two tours on the ground in VN, we lived at Cherry Point MCAS, which is on the superfund site, and actually spent alot of time at Lejeune, father was then stationed in Okinawa, which alot of researchers believe, had a massive presence and use of AO, even into the 1970's, and then Camp Pendleton, lived right by the beach, where the hotpoint is suspected to be where the MC had chemical storage, as well being on the superfund site.

I have diabetes II, and one of my younger brothers has what's called "HHH" syndrome, which only 50 documented people from around the world have. Since no one else in my family has had diabetes or any autoimmune issues, I strongly suspect a link from where my family lived over the Years.

This site has good info as well: http://aoag.org/

Edited by eganusn, 01 March 2012 - 12:34 PM.