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#1 Billyboy

 
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 01:10 PM

When I was in the service I was exposed to Asbestos, I have filled a claim for Hypertension. Does any one have a link I can check out to see the affects Asbestos has on hypertension?

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 02:41 PM

If you have an asbestos related disease, and this disease causes HBP, and you are on the VA asbestos MOS Navy PIES list as having had probable or high exposure due to your MOS, then in this way HBP can be service connected.(Or if you were even in USAF, Army or USMC-as long as your MOS exposed you to asbestos and you have asbestos disease-the Navy is only vbranch with a PIES list as to occupations in service because those old ships were full of it)

The asbestos disability has to be first found as due to service.
with medical evidence showing the medical nexus.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 03:09 PM

I do not have an asbestos related disease! I was in the Coast Guard and the ship was full of asbestos, the bulk heads (walls) were covered with asbestos and our bunks were next to the wall, very close quarters, also all the steam line were covered and in the engine room was a ton of the stuff. I have a Statement of Fact from a friend who told me all this. The ship was launched Nov-30-1926. Do you know where to find more info then I have? This is all I have http://www.uscg.mil/.../Alert1927.html What I was wondering is can asbestos cause hypertension or any cases I can check out. Just need help, bill

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:50 PM

I do not have an asbestos related disease! I was in the Coast Guard and the ship was full of asbestos, the bulk heads (walls) were covered with asbestos and our bunks were next to the wall, very close quarters, also all the steam line were covered and in the engine room was a ton of the stuff. I have a Statement of Fact from a friend who told me all this. The ship was launched Nov-30-1926. Do you know where to find more info then I have? This is all I have http://www.uscg.mil/.../Alert1927.html What I was wondering is can asbestos cause hypertension or any cases I can check out. Just need help, bill


From what I know exposure to asbestos doesn't cause HBP. I gather you are grasping at straws trying to service connect this. Good luck but I doubt you'll do it. jmo

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 07:18 PM

Eek! It would depend on what TYPE of hypertension you have. Asbestos exposure can lead to pulmonary hypertention. Asbestos related diseases also take quite some time to show up.

If you type in asbestos hypertension into a web search -- it will give you the scoop.

So if you have pulmonary hypertension -and other symptoms of asbestos exposure - there might be a connection. I think it would be an uphill battle to connect regular hypertension to asbestos exposure without other signs.

From Mayo Clinic: http://www.mayoclini...0482/DSECTION=7


Complications
The severity of asbestosis is generally related to the amount and duration of exposure to asbestos. Effects of the disease may be so mild as to cause almost no symptoms. Or the condition may create such a reduced flow of oxygen as to be disabling or even fatal. Asbestosis may lead to the following conditions:

High blood pressure in your lungs. Asbestosis-related scar tissue may eventually compress or obliterate your lungs' small blood vessels, causing high blood pressure in your lungs' arteries (pulmonary hypertension).
Heart problems. Pulmonary hypertension can lead to enlargement and failure of your heart's right ventricle (cor pulmonale). Your heart consists of four chambers — two upper chambers called atria and two lower chambers called ventricles. Your right ventricle assists in pumping oxygen-poor blood from your organs and tissues to your lungs, where your blood receives a new boost of oxygen. As your pulmonary arteries narrow, your heart's right ventricle must work harder to pump blood through your lungs. Initially, your heart tries to compensate by thickening its walls and dilating the right ventricle to increase the amount of blood it can hold. But this measure only works temporarily, and eventually — after a period of a few years — the right ventricle weakens and fails from the extra strain.

I do not have an asbestos related disease! I was in the Coast Guard and the ship was full of asbestos, the bulk heads (walls) were covered with asbestos and our bunks were next to the wall, very close quarters, also all the steam line were covered and in the engine room was a ton of the stuff. I have a Statement of Fact from a friend who told me all this. The ship was launched Nov-30-1926. Do you know where to find more info then I have? This is all I have http://www.uscg.mil/.../Alert1927.html What I was wondering is can asbestos cause hypertension or any cases I can check out. Just need help, bill



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Posted 23 March 2007 - 08:53 AM

Phillip, being a layman and trying to navigate the VA system, some times you just need to reach for that straw. I have had high B/P since service, the two dr. I saw when I got out of the service are dead and all their records destroyed. So I reach for straws!

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 09:11 AM

Billyboy, no problem. It's just that "to me" it's highly unlikely. Since you've had it since service, are there any records? What do your SMR's show? Discharge physical? Are you sure Dr's are dead? Could they have transferred their records to another practice? How about local hospital outpatient and lab records? Statements from loved ones and family? Just some thoughts.

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 09:54 AM

Just before my discharge, while in the pysc ward the gave me libirum, that will lower b/p. My readings when I got out were just below high b/p. My drs have been dead for 20-30 some years now, I called the hospital medical center and they informed me records were not kept after 10 years when the drs die. But I thank you for the thoughts, I have looked and looked but now, as you say, I think I’m up “ye old creek” but I keep plugging alone. bill

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Posted 23 March 2007 - 10:36 AM

Billy:

To have any chance at all in my opinion you will need an outside medical opinion that the Doc linkshigh blood pressure to thye time you were in service or that your exposure to asbestos caused it.

The fact that you were given librum and it is in your records is going to help your claim. In my experience the VA Docs will not be much help to you.

Good Luck


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Posted 23 March 2007 - 08:57 PM

Billyboy, Being SC for hypertension ( Direct) I was exposed to asbestos in removing it from ships and Subs during my Naval Career. I am not SC for asbestos but it should not be long.

Hypertension is probally not secondary unless you can get a Doc to say so. This would be like having the following events take place.
1: Exposure to asbestos proven and the amount of asbestos length of Time of exposure.
2: Pulmonary disease (active)
3: Effects pulmonary diesase has on cardiolvascular system, Such as Cor pulmonale, and was it caused by the pulmonary disease actually caused by asbestos.

Ships built in the 20s up to the end of WWII used mostly African Amosite Asbestos as the core for steam piping. This asbestos is a flaky gray fibers that could become airborne if the insulation was tore.
The Lagging as it is called on the pipes was covered by a sheet of asbestos called Chrysotile. It was not as easy to get airborne exposure but it was the most beadly type since the fibers were larger.


Any Vet who has had prolonged exposure to asbestos of airborne origin is in trouble. It can take up to 40 years for this dragon to start to shoot flames.

There is a great deal of information about asbesto son ships on the web. You just have to get past the Attorney web sites.


John

Edited by jbasser, 23 March 2007 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 24 March 2007 - 07:48 AM

mesothelioma navy, navy asbestos

Source: http://www.mesotheli...m/navyships.asp

NAVY SHIPS
The following are some of the navy ships on which our clients were exposed to asbestos dust. Some clients were exposed to asbestos while aboard ship and others during overhauls in various shipyards. During the initial construction and maintenance of these vessels, military and civilian personnel were exposed to numerous asbestos-containing insulation products. Even a brief exposure to asbestos in these settings can cause mesothelioma.



USS Abbott
USS Admiralty Islands
USS Ajax
USS America
USS Apricornus
USS Anzio
USS Aranac
USS Bache
USS Beale
USS Blue
USS Calvert
USS Capps
USS Cavalier
USS Constellation
USS Constitution
USS Coral Sea
USS Cushing
USS Darby
USS Des Moines
USS Dixie
USS Douglas H. Fox
USS Dwight D. Eisenhower
USS Dyess
USS Erben
USS Essex
USS Eversole
USS Fanshaw Bay
USS Farragut
USS Forrestal
USS Guardfish
USS Hancock
USS Herbert Thomas
USS Higbee
USS Homestead
USS Hornet
USS Huse
USS Idaho
USS Independence
USS Iowa
USS James C. Owen
USS John F. Kennedy
USS Juneau
USS Kalinin Bay
USS Kitty Hawk
USS Kwajalein
USS Latimer
USS Lee Fox
USS Lexington
USS Liscome Bay
USS Little Rock
USS Maine
USS Missouri
USS New Jersey
USS Noble
USS Olmstead
USS Oriscany
USS Piedmont
USS Puget Sound
USS Prairie
USS Princeton
USS Ranger
USS Rathburne
USS Roark
USS Saint Paul
USS Salem
USS Salt Lake City
USS Sarasota
USS Saratoga
USS Severn
USS Shangrila
USS Shelton
USS St. Croix
USS T.E. Chandler
USS Tarawa
USS Terror
USS The Sullivans
USS Thuban
USS Ticonderoga
USS Turner Joy
USS Twinning
USS Waller
USS Washington
USS Wasp
USS Wisconsin

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 08:25 AM

SHIPYARDS
Source: http://www.mesothelioma-navy.com/shipyards.asp
Alabama Alaska California Connecticut District of Columbia Florida Hawaii Louisiana Maine Maryland Massachusetts Michigan Mississippi New Hampshire New Jersey New York Ohio Oregon Pennsylvania Rhode Island South Carolina Texas Virginia Washington

The following are some of the naval shipyards at which our clients were exposed to asbestos dust. Some clients were exposed to asbestos while aboard ship and others during overhauls in various shipyards. During the initial construction and maintenance of these vessels, military and civilian personnel were exposed to numerous asbestos-containing insulation products. Even a brief exposure to asbestos in these settings can cause mesothelioma.



Alabama




Alabama Drydock & Shipping Co. (ADDSCO)
Bender Shipbuilding
Ingalls Shipyard


Alaska




Seward Ships Drydock (Seward)


California




Bethlehem Shipyard (San Francisco)
Bethlehem Steel Shipyard (Terminal Island)
Consolidated Shipyards
Consolidated Steel Shipyard
Hunters Point Naval Shipyard
Kaiser Shipyard (Richmond)
Long Beach Naval Shipyard
Mare Island Naval Shipyard
Moore Drydock
NASSCO Shipyard
National Shipyards
Naval Repair Center (San Diego)
Naval Weapons Station
Pacific Ship Repair
Richmond Shipyard (Kaiser)
Rough & Ready Island Ship Repair
San Diego Naval Shipyard
San Francisco Drydock
Southwest Marine Shipyard (Long Beach, San Diego)
Terminal Island Naval Yard
TODD - Alameda Naval Shipyard
TODD Shipyards (Los Angeles, Oakland, San Francisco, San Pedro)
Triple A Machine Shop
U.S. Naval Shipyard
U.S. Naval Operating Base (Terminal Island)
Vallejo Shipyard
Western Shipyard


Connecticut




Electric Boat (Groton)
Naval Submarine Base


District of Columbia




Washington Navy Yard


Florida




Atlantic Dry Dock
Gulf Marine Repair
Hendry Corporation
Mayport Naval Station
Offshore Shipbuilding, Inc.
Pensacola Naval Air Station
Tampa Bay Shipbuilding


Hawaii




Pearl Harbor Shipyard


Louisiana




Avondale Shipyard (Avondale Industries)
Bollinger Shipyards
Conrad Industries


Maine




Bath Iron Works
Portsmouth Naval Shipyard


Maryland




Baltimore Marine Industries
Bethlehem Shipbuilding
Curtis Bay Coast Guard Yard
Ellicott International
Key Highway Shipyard


Massachusetts




Boston Navy Yard
Charlestown Navy Yard
Fore River Shipyard
General Ship Corporation


Michigan




Defoe Shipbuilding Co.


Mississippi




Ingalls Shipbuilding
Naval Station Pascaqoula
Trinity Marine Group


New Hampshire




Portsmouth Naval Shipyard


New Jersey




New York Shipbuilding
TODD Shipyard


New York




Brooklyn Navy Shipyard
Caddell Drydock and Repair
GMD Shipyard
New York Shipbuilding Corp.
TODD Shipyard (Brooklyn)


Ohio




American Shipbuilding


Oregon




Albina Engine & Machine
Astoria Voyage Repair Station
Cascade General
Commercial Iron & Steel Shipyard
Dyer Shipyard
Floating Marine Ways
Gunderson/FMC Shipyard
Kaiser Shipyard (Portland)
Northwest Marine Ironworks
Oregon Shipyard (Kaiser)
Portland Ship Repair
Swan Island Shipyard
Tongue Point Naval Shipyard
Willamette Iron & Steel
Zidell’s Shipyard


Pennsylvania




Penn Shipbuilding
Philadelphia Naval Shipyard
Sun Shipbuilding


Rhode Island




Newport Naval Yard


South Carolina




Braswell Services Group
Carolina Shipping Company
Charleston Naval Shipyard
Detyen’s Shipyard


Texas




American Bridge Shipyard (Orange)
AMFELS (Brownsville)
Barbas Cut Docks
Bloodworth Bond Shipyard
Boats of Freeport
Brown Shipyard
Brown & Root Shipyard
Galveston Docks
Houston Shipyards
Ingalls Shipbuilding
Kane Shipbuilding
MGM Marine
Naval Station Ingleside
Orange Shipbuilding Co.
Pennsylvania Shipyard (Beaumont)
Port Adams Shipyard
Ta Chiao USA Inc.
TDI-Halter
TODD Shipyard (Houston)
Trinity (Beaumont)
USX Shipyard


Virginia




Collona’s Shipyard (Norfolk)
Lyon Shipyard (Norfolk)
Naval Amphibious Base Little Creek
Newport News Shipyard
Norfolk Naval Shipyard
NORSHIPCO
Phillyship


Washington




Bremerton Naval Shipyard
Duwamish Shipyard (Seattle)
Foss, Launch & Tug
Kaiser Shipyard (Vancouver)
Lake Union Drydock
Lake Washington
Lockheed Shipyard (Seattle)
Masco Shipyard
Naval Station Everett
Puget Sound Bridge Yards
Puget Sound Naval Shipyard
Strategic Weapons Facility
Tacoma Boat & Drydock
TODD Shipyard (Seattle, Tacoma)
Vancouver Shipyard (Kaiser)
Voyage Repair Station Port Angeles

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 12:45 PM

Just before my discharge, while in the pysc ward the gave me libirum, that will lower b/p. My readings when I got out were just below high b/p. My drs have been dead for 20-30 some years now, I called the hospital medical center and they informed me records were not kept after 10 years when the drs die. But I thank you for the thoughts, I have looked and looked but now, as you say, I think I’m up “ye old creek” but I keep plugging alone. bill


Bill,

The only HBP I could find related to asbestos is pulmonary (highblood pressure within the heart itself). Here's the list of asbestos-related disease a leading asbestos specializing law firm offers:
"The diseases for which asbestos exposure is a generally accepted cause are mesothelioma, asbestosis, small airway fibrosis, scarring, pleural plaques, pleural fibrosis, pleural effusion, and many lung cancers. Diseases for which asbestos exposure is not at this time generally accepted as the cause, include cancers of the kidney, GI tract and ovary.

Each of these asbestos-related diseases can only be diagnosed through medical examinations and tests."

However, excessive noise can cause HBP. If you were a snipe doing the tappet dance for hours on end on ALERT and others, this could create an SC cause for you.
I was on EWING and all the buck and a quarters were fairly noisy. I also drove ALERT from SF to Petaluma (after she and I were both decomissioned) and if I recall correctly, she was not very quiet.

Ralph

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 05:50 PM

Thanks for all the help. Objee, I may be calling on you for a “Statement of Fact” if that OK? As far as the noise and do you remember anything about the asbestos on the alert? I am really not sure of what I’ll do but I need to keep all my options open. 3 years and still fighting! Thanks, bill

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 05:56 PM

Sorry ment to post this, I was in the Coast Guard, Can't find a thing on these Navy places. I'll keep trying. bill

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 06:16 PM

Thanks for all the help. Objee, I may be calling on you for a “Statement of Fact” if that OK? As far as the noise and do you remember anything about the asbestos on the alert? I am really not sure of what I’ll do but I need to keep all my options open. 3 years and still fighting! Thanks, bill


Sure, contact me at zedaassn@sbcglobal.net. Yeah, the ex-ALERT still had the pipe wrap and bulkhead insulation intact when I was on her. IF you were in any of the engineering rates I think the noise is a better bet than asbestos for HBP.

The VA couldn't figure out what paratus means, but they sure understand semper! :angry:

Ralph

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 06:37 PM

Ralph, my memory is shot, gone, disappeared and no more. Do you remember where the sleeping quarters were to the engine room? I just went through a lot of test at the Palo Alto hospital and they asked if loud noises bothered bright lights, or me the noise gets me! bill

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Posted 24 March 2007 - 10:51 PM

Ralph, my memory is shot, gone, disappeared and no more. Do you remember where the sleeping quarters were to the engine room? I just went through a lot of test at the Palo Alto hospital and they asked if loud noises bothered bright lights, or me the noise gets me! bill


Bill,

I just searched for the design drawings for the 125 footer ACTIVE class cutters with no joy. Try Fred's Place to see if you recognize any ALERT crew from the time you were aboard. If so, query them to see if that's where you berthed. I was XO on the EWING and have no memeory either (damn Prozac!) so we're screwed unless we can find some mentally competent ex-crew! Couldn't find designated berthing areas. But, WTH, we're Coasties and we don't give up until it's done! "You have to go out, etc. . . . "

Coordinate with me and we'll eventually get the answers needed!

Ralph

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Posted 25 March 2007 - 07:01 PM

"The only HBP I could find related to asbestos is pulmonary (highblood pressure within the heart itself). Here's the list of asbestos-related disease a leading asbestos specializing law firm offers:
"The diseases for which asbestos exposure is a generally accepted cause are mesothelioma, asbestosis, small airway fibrosis, scarring, pleural plaques, pleural fibrosis, pleural effusion, and many lung cancers. Diseases for which asbestos exposure is not at this time generally accepted as the cause, include cancers of the kidney, GI tract and ovary.

Each of these asbestos-related diseases can only be diagnosed through medical examinations and tests."

However, excessive noise can cause HBP. If you were a snipe doing the tappet dance for hours on end on ALERT and others, this could create an SC cause for you.
I was on EWING and all the buck and a quarters were fairly noisy. I also drove ALERT from SF to Petaluma (after she and I were both decomissioned) and if I recall correctly, she was not very quiet."

Asbestos related lung conditions can cause Pulmonary Hypertension. That is the pressure of the pulmonary arteries. There are other causes of PPH. Fen Fen was one. Pulmonary Hypertension is a Very serious condition and if not treated the person effected will die. No may die, but will die. This ugly devil is deadly and even with treatment the outlook is Grim.

Both the VA and SSD rate this as disabling. If anyone is diagnosed with it, Get treatment fast. The symptoms are fast heart beat, Irregular heart beat, pounding in the chest with minimal exertion, shortness of breath.